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greetings and salutations friends and

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welcome back to truth seekers

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tonight we're having a very special show

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uh

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this is the ufo report and we have a

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very special guest tonight that uh i

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have had on my list to to come and try

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to get to be a guest here for quite some

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time thanks thanks to a show listener

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here he sort of hooked us up so

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uh we can make that a reality tonight

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robert schaefer is somebody that i have

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followed for quite a while uh he's an

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american freelance writer and ufo

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skeptic

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also he's a paranormal investigator of

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unidentified flying objects he's

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researched many sightings and written

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critiques on the hypothesis that ufos

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are alien spacecraft

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i believe it is important to hear every

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side of the argument when it comes to

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the phenomenon of ufos

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in addition to ufos his writings cover

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topics such as christianity academic

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feminism and scientific theory of

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evolution and creationism

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he is the author of six books

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mr schaefer also wrote for skeptical

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inquirer where he contributed to the

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regular psychic vibrations column from

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1977-2017

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he's written for fate magazine and space

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flight and he was also a founding member

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with philip j class and james oberg of

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the ufo subcommittee

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of the committee for skeptical inquiry

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and is a fellow of that organization

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he is also a graduate of northwestern

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university and a member of mensah so

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without any further ado let's welcome

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our guest in here tonight welcome mr

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robert shaffer good to have you here sir

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thank you steven it's good to be here

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i have been uh you have been on my list

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to get on the show for quite some time

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well i'm not that hard to uh schedule i

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guess just uh let me know and uh

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yeah i just never contacted you so

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so a fellow uh a show listener of mine

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reached out and said you should have

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robert you should have robert shaffer on

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and i said i'd love to

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yeah and and he gave me your email

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roger yeah so thank you very much to

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roger yeah yeah

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so i i don't know where to begin except

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to ask first of all why were you

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interested in ufos at all and then

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was there was there something that made

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you after your initial interest in ufos

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go to the skeptical side of things or or

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what was the sequence of events like

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well it's a little hard to say i you

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know i was growing up and it was the

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sputnik era and the space race and all

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that stuff and so i found all that stuff

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enormously exciting and of course this

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was also the time of you know nightcap

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uh for those who know ufo history back

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pretty much the only show in town and

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major keyhole was so it's uh

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roaming about and saying how you know

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air force is covering up everything and

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they have proof that uh saucers are real

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saucers are interplanetary one of these

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days any day now they're going to

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release you know we're going to have

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disclosure

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wait how long ago was that because you

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know people are still saying that today

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you know i know oh that goes back even

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rumor i heard was i don't know i think

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1949 as supposedly the or the navy would

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uh they supposedly the navy had uh built

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saucers uh this was i think u.s news and

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and you know i mean this kind of

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nonsense been going on for a long time

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you know i i read some of the stuff that

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was obviously you know sensational and

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bit wiser and i started reading other

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things i remember reading donald menzel

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was just called flying saucers and then

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see well he's oversimplifying and

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what he was saying was correct that you

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phenomena and birds and everything else

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chicago and northwestern wasn't all that

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university and all that wait so you

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picked your you picked your college just

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there and knew a lot about you you've

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i love it plus i got some scholarships

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and so on so okay yeah there's another

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reason but and you know it it looked

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like a very nice place and it was a very

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a very fair guy trying to be very fair

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to everybody but i think he was too

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gullible you know people would tell him

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stories and he'd kind of go hmm

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a saucer landed an alien get out well

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i think heineken really he trusted too

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you want to believe you know yeah yeah

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studies because you know he was opening

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up this new realm that nobody had opened

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realized you know heineken was in my

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observatory and all people would kind of

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outrageous or anything or anything

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totally wrong but you know it's just

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hard ass but rather kind of the opposite

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wow interesting and and so

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investigating cases yourself right

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i was uh able to take in fact i didn't

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they're like they had reached the limit

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of 15 students whatever the limit was

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and that's i'd heard about it and i

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though it was theoretically it was

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closed was there's a way i could get in

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useful perspectives and so he was very

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genuine interest so he wanted to include

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corresponding with philip j class

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because he was you know the best known

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that heinek was not skeptical or

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not everyone wanted to get along with

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if stan friedman says you're gullible

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you must really be gullible

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and uh a visit with him stayed with him

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in his apartment and uh was all very

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a uh he he was a difficult guy sometimes

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to deal with over even small things he

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get a bit upset about what i would

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consider small things but um

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agent

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now he knew everybody in the government

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or not everybody was a lot of people in

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the government because that was his job

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right his job was to as a journalist uh

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at aviation week sometimes known as

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aviation leak

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they were the ones that you know showed

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uh uh

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you know first revealed a lot of things

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like the stealth bombers and you know a

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lot of it

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whatever is new in the aviation world uh

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you're going to worry about it in

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aviation week before you read about it

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anywhere else

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unfortunately you're getting the reveal

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of these things 20 years after they

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exist but yeah while they were doing it

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fortunately yeah they were i don't think

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they were waiting 20 years they in fact

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as i understand it and you know fbi

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there's all kinds of fbi pipers nowadays

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on all kinds of people and if you look

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at the fbi files on philip j class they

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actually were considering

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the possibility of an espionage charge

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against him simply because of something

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he'd written in aviation week and this

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was

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back in the late 50s maybe early 60s but

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then they decided well it would you know

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even draw more attention to it if we try

285
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to prosecute him so we'll let it slide

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maybe give him a lecture or something

287
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like that but uh so yeah

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i know

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if he if there was a secret he was no no

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way was he gonna like keep it you know

291
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oh that's interesting and i know a lot

292
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of older uh

293
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let's call them veteran ufo researchers

294
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or authors yeah that uh boy if you

295
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he was not well liked by ufo guys right

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because he brought so many cases as fake

297
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you know right well you know if to the

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extent that ufology is a religion which

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for some people it is uh phil class is

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oh that's interesting

301
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that's pretty pretty out there though

302
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right they hated him they really did

303
00:14:36,710 --> 00:14:35,189
so i guess i'm in league with satan at

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least they knew

305
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so you you're corresponding with the

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these

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morse class who's much more skeptical

308
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you're taking classes with heineck who's

309
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much more of a believer so i guess you

310
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got to see both sides of of the argument

311
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right

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oh yeah

313
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and i got to meet a few other people

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uh it was a fred beckman i think was uh

315
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was one of uh hynek's uh colleagues in

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the so-called invisible college

317
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um

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northwestern at the time he was

319
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somewhere else although he did come back

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briefly to visit to give a talk and i

321
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did meet him briefly but he wasn't there

322
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uh and interestingly i know this was

323
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back in i don't know 69 or 70.

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uh i've always said well

325
00:15:32,389 --> 00:15:30,480
when i chatted with him a bit oh well

326
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i'm not doing that ufo stuff anymore i

327
00:15:37,910 --> 00:15:34,240
gave up on that

328
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that's interesting

329
00:15:42,949 --> 00:15:41,120
you know there's been times where i said

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i'm wasting my time here

331
00:15:47,509 --> 00:15:45,360
shadows i should do something else

332
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but every time i try to jump off

333
00:15:51,990 --> 00:15:49,759
something drags me back in

334
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you know here i am

335
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you know

336
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so after after getting to know some of

337
00:15:59,110 --> 00:15:57,279
these guys you started investigating

338
00:16:01,509 --> 00:15:59,120
cases yourself and started seriously

339
00:16:04,710 --> 00:16:01,519
looking into something well i started um

340
00:16:07,350 --> 00:16:04,720
yeah a couple of things um one was this

341
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um luchi photo if you're familiar with

342
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the the photo

343
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it looks like

344
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it's like the full moon

345
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uh and then there's this object that's

346
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kind of nebulous and hanging there

347
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and somewhat

348
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oval-shaped or something and uh

349
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this was submitted to nycap and the

350
00:16:32,949 --> 00:16:30,720
nycap uh photo analyst uh passed it is

351
00:16:34,710 --> 00:16:32,959
oh yeah this is authentic uh these two

352
00:16:36,069 --> 00:16:34,720
boys teenage boys they said they were

353
00:16:37,829 --> 00:16:36,079
out i don't know getting pictures of the

354
00:16:38,710 --> 00:16:37,839
moon or something and the ufo came by

355
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and so

356
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they got a picture

357
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and this is a famous photo that's on the

358
00:16:45,269 --> 00:16:44,240
cover of

359
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um

360
00:16:50,790 --> 00:16:47,600
incident at exeter and i think it also

361
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was on the cover of the the interrupted

362
00:16:53,350 --> 00:16:52,000
journey

363
00:16:55,829 --> 00:16:53,360
um

364
00:16:57,670 --> 00:16:55,839
is a very very famous very iconic photo

365
00:17:00,710 --> 00:16:57,680
yeah i'm trying to find it right now

366
00:17:03,509 --> 00:17:00,720
class was of the opinion that this was a

367
00:17:05,350 --> 00:17:03,519
genuine plasma ufo this was his first

368
00:17:07,189 --> 00:17:05,360
you know entry into it

369
00:17:09,350 --> 00:17:07,199
just to see that well maybe these people

370
00:17:17,110 --> 00:17:09,360
are seeing plasmas you know which are

371
00:17:22,390 --> 00:17:18,630
uh

372
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given a moment

373
00:17:36,470 --> 00:17:33,110
it would be very easy to fake this in

374
00:17:38,390 --> 00:17:36,480
fact i did uh i did fake my own version

375
00:17:39,430 --> 00:17:38,400
of the luchi photos and sent them to

376
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class

377
00:17:44,390 --> 00:17:41,919
and show him you know a relatively easy

378
00:17:48,310 --> 00:17:44,400
thing to do with a flashlight and so on

379
00:17:50,230 --> 00:17:48,320
and so he uh agreed with what i had uh

380
00:17:52,470 --> 00:17:50,240
sent him and and then he wrote in the

381
00:17:54,390 --> 00:17:52,480
future that yeah that this was right

382
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that's it that that thing on the

383
00:17:58,710 --> 00:17:56,720
interrupted journey that's the that's

384
00:18:00,070 --> 00:17:58,720
the one of the luchi photos it's only a

385
00:18:02,470 --> 00:18:00,080
little piece of it you're not seeing the

386
00:18:06,070 --> 00:18:02,480
whole photo there it's just it's a plate

387
00:18:08,950 --> 00:18:06,080
on somebody's hand like this they

388
00:18:10,630 --> 00:18:08,960
yeah uh and and i found in fact it was

389
00:18:12,870 --> 00:18:10,640
like if you get one of these uh ice

390
00:18:14,310 --> 00:18:12,880
cream dishes like from uh you go to a

391
00:18:16,710 --> 00:18:14,320
you know one of these dairy queen or

392
00:18:18,710 --> 00:18:16,720
something and they got a plastic uh ice

393
00:18:20,950 --> 00:18:18,720
cream uh container and you put that on

394
00:18:23,750 --> 00:18:20,960
your hand that gives you pretty much uh

395
00:18:26,070 --> 00:18:23,760
gives you pretty much that

396
00:18:27,990 --> 00:18:26,080
interesting yeah and and i'm always kind

397
00:18:30,390 --> 00:18:28,000
of disappointed at the at some of these

398
00:18:31,909 --> 00:18:30,400
photos that people tout is like

399
00:18:34,310 --> 00:18:31,919
evidence because

400
00:18:37,029 --> 00:18:34,320
they're always so grainy and and could

401
00:18:39,510 --> 00:18:37,039
be anything you know it's kind of like

402
00:18:42,310 --> 00:18:39,520
you know seeing seeing you know animals

403
00:18:44,070 --> 00:18:42,320
in clouds people just do people just see

404
00:18:46,470 --> 00:18:44,080
what they want to see or what because

405
00:18:48,950 --> 00:18:46,480
this is terrible to me

406
00:18:51,669 --> 00:18:48,960
and it and in fact uh it is now a

407
00:18:54,070 --> 00:18:51,679
confessed hoax uh sometime i think much

408
00:18:55,909 --> 00:18:54,080
later like in the 90s uh one of the two

409
00:18:58,310 --> 00:18:55,919
brothers maybe it was the one who took

410
00:19:00,070 --> 00:18:58,320
this photo because the two boys were out

411
00:19:01,830 --> 00:19:00,080
there together doing this and one of

412
00:19:03,510 --> 00:19:01,840
them said oh yeah we hopes that you know

413
00:19:05,029 --> 00:19:03,520
he admitted it really was like a plate

414
00:19:06,470 --> 00:19:05,039
on somebody's hand

415
00:19:09,029 --> 00:19:06,480
so

416
00:19:10,630 --> 00:19:09,039
there's no doubt about that now but it's

417
00:19:13,909 --> 00:19:10,640
still considered to be a you know

418
00:19:15,750 --> 00:19:13,919
classic iconic photo

419
00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:15,760
yeah interesting and and heinek thought

420
00:19:21,029 --> 00:19:18,480
it was a plasma ufo is that no no class

421
00:19:22,950 --> 00:19:21,039
class thought it was a plasma ufo

422
00:19:25,750 --> 00:19:22,960
nick i'm not sure if he said anything

423
00:19:27,990 --> 00:19:25,760
about this one um he might have

424
00:19:29,190 --> 00:19:28,000
tentatively accepted it i'm not really

425
00:19:30,710 --> 00:19:29,200
sure

426
00:19:32,630 --> 00:19:30,720
and i also started to look into the

427
00:19:32,980 --> 00:19:32,640
trent ufo's

428
00:19:34,710 --> 00:19:32,990
um

429
00:19:37,590 --> 00:19:34,720
[Music]

430
00:19:39,990 --> 00:19:37,600
you know the famous pair of

431
00:19:43,669 --> 00:19:40,000
from 1950 of uh

432
00:19:45,909 --> 00:19:43,679
ufos over a garage and an oil tank

433
00:19:48,230 --> 00:19:45,919
i suppose and this was one that the

434
00:19:51,510 --> 00:19:48,240
condon report uh william hartman of the

435
00:19:52,710 --> 00:19:51,520
county report had said might be uh all

436
00:19:54,789 --> 00:19:52,720
aspects

437
00:19:56,549 --> 00:19:54,799
were consistent with it being a large

438
00:19:58,789 --> 00:19:56,559
object at a distance

439
00:20:00,549 --> 00:19:58,799
uh based on certain density metric

440
00:20:02,230 --> 00:20:00,559
readings and comparisons of the

441
00:20:03,750 --> 00:20:02,240
brightness of the sky and the brightness

442
00:20:04,710 --> 00:20:03,760
of the bottom of the tank and so on and

443
00:20:08,149 --> 00:20:04,720
so on

444
00:20:11,350 --> 00:20:08,159
and um i showed that there was another

445
00:20:13,190 --> 00:20:11,360
um explanation of this which is what

446
00:20:15,590 --> 00:20:13,200
yeah exactly that's right

447
00:20:18,070 --> 00:20:15,600
uh and it's what uh photographers call

448
00:20:21,669 --> 00:20:18,080
veiling glare it's basically it's when

449
00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:21,679
you get your finger on the lens or

450
00:20:26,950 --> 00:20:23,600
petroleum jelly or whatever has to be on

451
00:20:28,390 --> 00:20:26,960
your lance peanut butter um it

452
00:20:31,430 --> 00:20:28,400
it will essentially will have that

453
00:20:33,190 --> 00:20:31,440
effect it will scatter light

454
00:20:34,390 --> 00:20:33,200
from

455
00:20:37,909 --> 00:20:34,400
nearby

456
00:20:38,950 --> 00:20:37,919
uh bright areas to air darker

457
00:20:40,630 --> 00:20:38,960
areas

458
00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:40,640
not you know simply because of our

459
00:20:44,950 --> 00:20:42,480
optical imperfections

460
00:20:46,950 --> 00:20:44,960
um and it turns out that that's one

461
00:20:48,870 --> 00:20:46,960
possible explanation but

462
00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:48,880
um

463
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:51,440
more recently and i have this on my blog

464
00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:54,000
if you if you go to the bad ufo's blog

465
00:20:56,549 --> 00:20:54,960
um

466
00:20:58,070 --> 00:20:56,559
there was a fellow named uh joel

467
00:21:00,390 --> 00:20:58,080
carpenter who

468
00:21:02,390 --> 00:21:00,400
really dug into this uh

469
00:21:04,710 --> 00:21:02,400
and did very well um he died

470
00:21:07,270 --> 00:21:04,720
unfortunately a couple of years ago

471
00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:07,280
um but on and uh

472
00:21:11,669 --> 00:21:09,280
he has he showed that basically what we

473
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:11,679
said the trent photo most likely is a

474
00:21:15,430 --> 00:21:12,880
truck mirror

475
00:21:16,950 --> 00:21:15,440
uh like from a 1930s truck an old one of

476
00:21:19,270 --> 00:21:16,960
these old trucks

477
00:21:21,190 --> 00:21:19,280
with the hanging from the overhead wires

478
00:21:22,710 --> 00:21:21,200
because you can't see it in all these

479
00:21:25,830 --> 00:21:22,720
versions of it

480
00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:25,840
but it's the um

481
00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:28,080
you know the the wires yeah there you go

482
00:21:31,270 --> 00:21:29,600
there's the overhead wires you can see

483
00:21:33,270 --> 00:21:31,280
that

484
00:21:34,549 --> 00:21:33,280
most of these usually are cropped in

485
00:21:36,710 --> 00:21:34,559
such a way that you can't see the

486
00:21:38,710 --> 00:21:36,720
overhead wires but in both

487
00:21:42,149 --> 00:21:38,720
photos you can see the overhead wires

488
00:21:43,350 --> 00:21:42,159
and it's hanging from some sort of a uh

489
00:21:45,110 --> 00:21:43,360
you know

490
00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:45,120
fishing wire or something yeah and very

491
00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:47,039
convenient that they cut the wires you

492
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:48,880
know they crop the wires that are right

493
00:21:53,590 --> 00:21:50,880
above the object to make it more

494
00:21:56,070 --> 00:21:53,600
believable yeah the reason that a truck

495
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:56,080
mirror uh changes the photometric

496
00:22:01,430 --> 00:21:58,400
completely is because it's silver it's

497
00:22:03,669 --> 00:22:01,440
not a the assumption of hartmann and the

498
00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:03,679
conduit report was that the underside of

499
00:22:07,029 --> 00:22:05,120
the object

500
00:22:09,990 --> 00:22:07,039
was um

501
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:10,000
was non uh was dark uh and was

502
00:22:14,710 --> 00:22:11,520
unilluminated

503
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:14,720
but actually if that is um

504
00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:16,720
simply reflecting the ground

505
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:19,440
you know it's go because it's a mirror

506
00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:21,360
it's and it's it's showing is is

507
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:23,919
reflecting the ground below it which is

508
00:22:27,909 --> 00:22:26,400
in the sunlight so that uh you know you

509
00:22:29,669 --> 00:22:27,919
have to assume it's in shadow and if

510
00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:29,679
it's not in shadow if it's a if it's a

511
00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:31,280
mirror image of something in sunlight

512
00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:33,360
then it throws off all the numbers and

513
00:22:37,270 --> 00:22:35,280
basically you can't prove anything about

514
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:37,280
its distance so it's yeah it's just a

515
00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:39,600
small object the other thing uh joel

516
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:42,720
carpenter found out was um

517
00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:44,880
the photographer basically crouched down

518
00:22:48,549 --> 00:22:46,320
very low to the ground to get those

519
00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:48,559
photos i mean if i'm gonna see a ufo and

520
00:22:51,590 --> 00:22:50,159
i got my camera in my hand i'm gonna

521
00:22:53,190 --> 00:22:51,600
stand up and i'm gonna go you know take

522
00:22:55,270 --> 00:22:53,200
pictures like this that's not what he

523
00:22:58,149 --> 00:22:55,280
did he got as close to the ground as he

524
00:22:59,909 --> 00:22:58,159
could the camera looked up so clearly

525
00:23:02,870 --> 00:22:59,919
he's thinking something is very small

526
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:02,880
and trying to make it look big

527
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:05,440
so if you go to my bad ufo's blog and

528
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:07,360
you just uh look we'll just look up

529
00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:09,919
trent photo or mick menville trent you

530
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:13,120
know tre ant trent photo and you'll see

531
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:16,000
uh i have a lot of this also somebody

532
00:23:22,630 --> 00:23:20,080
did a 3d somebody who um

533
00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:22,640
has the software uses the software to

534
00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:24,400
you know create 3d images from two

535
00:23:28,149 --> 00:23:25,760
different photos

536
00:23:29,430 --> 00:23:28,159
has put those two trend photos together

537
00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:29,440
and they

538
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:32,080
it's not perfect but it's reasonably

539
00:23:35,750 --> 00:23:34,080
good and you can see that it's a small

540
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:35,760
object it's it's much closer to the

541
00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:43,110
special report the trend ufo photos the

542
00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:45,600
best of all time finally busted

543
00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:46,720
right

544
00:23:50,500 --> 00:23:50,159
you can see the other overhead wires

545
00:23:54,149 --> 00:23:50,510
and

546
00:23:54,159 --> 00:23:59,029
well there's a lot of writing here but

547
00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:00,630
there you go

548
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:02,640
shadows by bright cloud in the afternoon

549
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:04,720
shadow on the east well sunset

550
00:24:07,510 --> 00:24:06,640
yeah oh and look there's the truck

551
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:07,520
mirror

552
00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:09,200
there's the truck i've never seen this

553
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:11,840
before this is great

554
00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:13,360
yeah it looks pretty similar to that

555
00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:15,520
object doesn't it pretty damn similar

556
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:18,080
same thing really same it off of its

557
00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:20,480
mountain it'd be the same thing

558
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:22,480
and the guy who took joel carpenter had

559
00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:25,200
that truck mirror on his truck

560
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:26,480
no

561
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:33,039
yeah so charmer trent paul trent we

562
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:35,200
presumably he had the i mean these old

563
00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:36,720
mirrors would be anywhere you go to a

564
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:38,720
junkyard you know and you'd find it oh

565
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:40,320
there you go there's somebody did that

566
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:43,200
as a steer as a stereo pair

567
00:24:47,669 --> 00:24:45,440
so if you have like a stereo viewer you

568
00:24:49,590 --> 00:24:47,679
can see the thing or you can even kind

569
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:49,600
of see it without the viewer but it's uh

570
00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:51,200
you know yeah a little better with it

571
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:52,640
but uh

572
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:54,960
yeah very interesting analysis and cool

573
00:24:58,830 --> 00:24:56,640
to see the truck mirror that looks

574
00:25:02,310 --> 00:24:58,840
exactly like the object in the picture

575
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:02,320
exactly you know at damsky adamski used

576
00:25:06,549 --> 00:25:03,760
a uh

577
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:06,559
a piece or top of a like a coleman

578
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:07,919
lantern

579
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:09,120
for his uh

580
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:11,039
that was carpenter also who found that

581
00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:13,200
out but i was saying that i'm aware of

582
00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:14,400
yeah yeah

583
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:16,400
people were saying that it was a chicken

584
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:18,320
brooder and i don't know anything about

585
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:21,840
chicken brooders um but uh jill that was

586
00:25:26,230 --> 00:25:24,080
another one of joel carpenter's analyses

587
00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:26,240
was that this this thing looks exactly

588
00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:28,320
like the coleman lantern that was being

589
00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:30,640
sold at the time the top of the colon

590
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:32,400
lantern

591
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:33,279
yeah

592
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:36,000
portholes and things because there's

593
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:38,480
holes in those coleman layers exactly

594
00:25:41,190 --> 00:25:40,320
to let the light out and let the heat

595
00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:41,200
out

596
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:44,080
yeah yeah interesting analysis on that

597
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:44,880
one

598
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:49,440
persisted as people always i see i have

599
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:51,360
seen people put that picture in

600
00:25:55,909 --> 00:25:53,679
presentations all the time and they may

601
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:55,919
not be talking it up as genuine but if

602
00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:58,080
it's in your presentation it's it's easy

603
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:00,159
to assume they believe the photos yeah

604
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:02,880
unless they say look at this it's fake

605
00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:04,320
but that's not what they're saying they

606
00:26:08,230 --> 00:26:07,360
say oh here's another ufo and another

607
00:26:10,710 --> 00:26:08,240
you know

608
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:10,720
yeah very interesting

609
00:26:15,190 --> 00:26:13,520
yeah and and just to be clear this

610
00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:15,200
article that we've just shared is only

611
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:16,799
one article you've got hundreds of

612
00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:18,559
articles on all different things on your

613
00:26:23,830 --> 00:26:21,520
blog here oh yeah yeah all kinds of them

614
00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:23,840
just look at you know it's got the the

615
00:26:27,430 --> 00:26:25,760
search box there and if there's a case

616
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:27,440
you want to hear about just type it in

617
00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:28,159
there

618
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:29,919
see if i've got if it's a major case

619
00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:32,240
there's a good chance it's in there

620
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:33,919
and most recently you've been writing

621
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:36,799
about this galileo project and tom

622
00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:39,520
belongs to the stars because he has

623
00:26:44,470 --> 00:26:41,840
brought on i want to ask your opinion of

624
00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:44,480
this they brought on chris melon

625
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:47,200
and they hired chris mellon and also lou

626
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:49,919
elizondo i supposed to be consultants of

627
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:51,120
some kind

628
00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:53,360
yeah to be consultants for that you know

629
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:56,000
because of their expertise in uaps or

630
00:27:00,630 --> 00:26:58,480
ufos or whatever you want to call it

631
00:27:02,149 --> 00:27:00,640
uh but you know

632
00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:02,159
this whole thing is really it's really

633
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:04,080
kind of uh well

634
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:06,720
it's funny i wrote before that i wrote

635
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:08,240
another um

636
00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:11,360
piece about the uh galileo project

637
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:13,440
which i've given my uh commentary now

638
00:27:18,149 --> 00:27:15,679
i'm not against the notion that somebody

639
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:18,159
might try to look for possible you know

640
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:20,960
alien anything uh he whether it's in our

641
00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:22,880
solar system or elsewhere

642
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:25,520
uh if they're willing to accept the idea

643
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:27,760
that their likelihood of success is you

644
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:29,600
know

645
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:33,520
string of zeros and maybe a one out

646
00:27:38,549 --> 00:27:35,600
there somewhere but you know if somebody

647
00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:38,559
wants to do it that's uh that's fine but

648
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:40,480
what i don't understand is why these

649
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:43,360
guys uh with the galileo project um at

650
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:46,000
harvard think that they're somehow gonna

651
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:47,520
do something different than what's been

652
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:49,279
done before they say well we're going to

653
00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:50,720
get telescopes we're going to look at

654
00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:53,360
stuff we're going to look at radars you

655
00:27:57,029 --> 00:27:55,120
know use radar to find what's in orbit

656
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:57,039
around because they've already got these

657
00:28:01,830 --> 00:27:59,760
space what do they call them

658
00:28:03,269 --> 00:28:01,840
you know space surveillance radars that

659
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:03,279
are finding objects that are even

660
00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:05,039
smaller than they claim to be looking

661
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:08,080
for and uh yeah someone suggested that

662
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:09,840
they just wanted some new telescopes

663
00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:12,240
these guys i heard something i'm not

664
00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:14,559
even sure what you know of any kind of

665
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:16,640
i'm not even sure what proposal they

666
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:18,320
have that would really make their

667
00:28:21,669 --> 00:28:20,080
telescopes any different than those we

668
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:21,679
already have

669
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:23,440
and maybe they want to use them in

670
00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:24,960
different ways or something or look at

671
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:26,960
different objects but you know it's not

672
00:28:29,909 --> 00:28:29,120
like i say we can do new telescopes

673
00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:29,919
we're going to look through new

674
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:31,360
telescopes well

675
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:33,760
okay and they're going to set up cameras

676
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:35,279
we're going to go in areas where there's

677
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:37,360
new photos and set up cameras we're

678
00:28:40,389 --> 00:28:38,640
going to record them and find out what

679
00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:40,399
they are you know how many people have

680
00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:42,840
tried to do that

681
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:45,120
yeah i've got that in there just do it

682
00:28:50,789 --> 00:28:47,760
just search for galileo in my blog and

683
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:50,799
you'll find uh those two uh

684
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:52,799
it's uh

685
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:54,480
yeah yeah i'll see i'll see if i can't

686
00:28:59,669 --> 00:28:56,960
find those while we're talking sure yeah

687
00:29:01,750 --> 00:28:59,679
yeah because uh i mean

688
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:01,760
all these different people have proposed

689
00:29:06,389 --> 00:29:04,480
or actually started and mounted cameras

690
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:06,399
they seem to think well if we see a lot

691
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:08,399
of ufos around a certain town we'll just

692
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:09,840
put our cameras up there and we'll catch

693
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:12,880
the ufos and of course uh you know it's

694
00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:14,799
never yeah here's the article some

695
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:16,240
thoughts on the new gallery or the

696
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:18,480
project right and then all the other

697
00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:20,480
projects here you see that's another one

698
00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:22,080
of these camera projects and then

699
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:24,399
there's another one down there

700
00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:26,720
and uh you know it gives all the details

701
00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:28,559
on these and people who got all kinds of

702
00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:31,520
cameras out there i just don't uh

703
00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:34,640
you know the galileo project yes

704
00:29:38,549 --> 00:29:36,960
yeah it's it's you know i was a lot more

705
00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:38,559
excited about it before they brought

706
00:29:42,789 --> 00:29:41,120
louie elizondo and chris

707
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:42,799
because

708
00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:44,559
it suggests they don't really know what

709
00:29:49,029 --> 00:29:46,720
they're doing nobody's ever nobody's

710
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:49,039
ever explained to me and you know i i

711
00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:51,200
say this all the time the ufo community

712
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:54,399
is a big club and i ain't in it so

713
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:55,840
you know chris mellon won't come here

714
00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:57,200
and be interviewed and neither will lou

715
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:58,960
elizondo despite his claims that he'll

716
00:30:01,990 --> 00:30:00,720
let anyone interview him and he'll come

717
00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:02,000
on any show

718
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:03,440
um he uh

719
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:05,200
you know somebody needs to ask both

720
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:07,440
those guys what happened on the millions

721
00:30:12,389 --> 00:30:10,240
of dollars that ttsa collected what did

722
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:12,399
what did the investors get for it and

723
00:30:15,029 --> 00:30:13,840
after all

724
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:15,039
while they were members of that

725
00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:16,399
organization

726
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:18,320
ttsa promised everybody that they were

727
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:19,760
going to build a spaceship with a

728
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:21,360
revolutionary power source that was

729
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:23,520
going to change the world and so far all

730
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:26,240
they did was publish a couple of books

731
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:28,320
and make a tv show but they didn't make

732
00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:31,919
it yeah two two seasons of a tv show so

733
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:33,919
i mean maybe that's just as good as bill

734
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:35,600
no you're absolutely right they said

735
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:37,679
we're going to build a spaceship using

736
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:40,480
all this advanced ufological technology

737
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:43,200
that will get us literally to the stars

738
00:30:48,549 --> 00:30:46,320
and i guess that didn't happen

739
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:48,559
no where all the money's gone

740
00:30:52,870 --> 00:30:50,880
well yeah and i i have another article

741
00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:52,880
where i you know somebody said

742
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:54,320
using

743
00:30:57,750 --> 00:30:55,600
i think it was even in one of their

744
00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:57,760
filings that they had uh

745
00:31:04,149 --> 00:31:01,440
a debit uh of uh 37 million dollars or

746
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:04,159
some such thing and then tom delong said

747
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:06,080
oh no no that's just an accounting

748
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:08,240
artifact it doesn't really mean anything

749
00:31:11,909 --> 00:31:09,760
because we're just basing that on the

750
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:11,919
hypothetical value of shares and

751
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:14,320
hypothetical this and that and

752
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:16,960
so i don't know if that was ever uh

753
00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:18,399
you know

754
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:20,320
yeah and that really happened i love

755
00:31:24,710 --> 00:31:21,440
that you know

756
00:31:25,990 --> 00:31:24,720
i have another um there was a guy i

757
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:26,000
i'm trying to remember the name of the

758
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:28,320
guy who was their accountant

759
00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:29,279
um

760
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:33,039
and he's a very creative guy

761
00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:35,760
and he had an office over in uh

762
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:38,480
near la jolla um in

763
00:31:44,830 --> 00:31:42,399
san diego county and um

764
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:44,840
i there was a question about

765
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:52,549
you know this this a couple of different

766
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:54,640
companies and he had one tom de long had

767
00:31:58,710 --> 00:31:57,120
a company called r2 dogs

768
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:58,720
and some and then some people were

769
00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:00,960
saying and then elec if you look at the

770
00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:03,440
actual filing of our two dogs it says

771
00:32:06,789 --> 00:32:05,840
what's your product lines just hot dogs

772
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:06,799
okay

773
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:09,600
and but who runs it was tom delong

774
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:12,000
so uh

775
00:32:15,750 --> 00:32:13,440
then

776
00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:15,760
somehow

777
00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:18,240
our two dog or

778
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:20,480
somehow to the stars had to give money

779
00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:22,240
to our two dogs

780
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:24,320
and a number of us were trying to figure

781
00:32:28,630 --> 00:32:26,640
out what the hell is going on here so i

782
00:32:30,149 --> 00:32:28,640
actually went to this guy's office and

783
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:30,159
just tried to interview him and said you

784
00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:31,519
know could you explain to me please

785
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:35,200
about what our two dogs are and uh

786
00:32:42,310 --> 00:32:36,480
uh

787
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:44,630
it it it was just a shell corporation or

788
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:47,279
some such thing and uh i'm aware of

789
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:49,200
somebody when somebody went to one of

790
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:50,159
these

791
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:52,159
somebody went on to talk about it yeah

792
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:53,360
and somebody went to one of the

793
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:55,760
addresses in the ttsa filings and found

794
00:33:01,110 --> 00:32:58,559
out that it was a hotdog cart

795
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:01,120
well i i like they use the address from

796
00:33:05,669 --> 00:33:03,679
a hot dog cart in their life i love to

797
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:05,679
see that because yeah it said our two

798
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:08,080
dogs but that and then i had the uh i'm

799
00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:09,440
trying to remember what was the name of

800
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:10,960
the um

801
00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:13,679
the business thing that uh oh done in

802
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:16,000
brad street i think you know and and so

803
00:33:19,509 --> 00:33:18,159
the hot if you look on donna dunn and

804
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:19,519
brad streets

805
00:33:22,630 --> 00:33:20,640
um

806
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:22,640
for our two dogs it says yeah what's the

807
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:24,080
business or in their business is hot

808
00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:25,200
dogs

809
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:27,440
uh and then i wanted to talk to the

810
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:29,120
company oh you can't believe that donald

811
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:30,720
brass street that's a lot of nonsense

812
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:33,440
area yeah right oh really you know i

813
00:33:36,549 --> 00:33:34,799
don't believe the wall street journal

814
00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:36,559
either or barons or any of those other

815
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:38,159
publications because they're all made up

816
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:39,519
too right

817
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:41,840
so so the guy just gave you excuses for

818
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:43,600
why yeah no he didn't want to talk to

819
00:33:47,029 --> 00:33:44,880
him i didn't want to talk somebody else

820
00:33:50,830 --> 00:33:47,039
talk to my lawyer you know talk to tom

821
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:50,840
delonge's lawyer so yeah i try to i

822
00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:53,600
try trying to get some straight answers

823
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:55,600
but a lot of people have suggested about

824
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:57,120
that yeah and a lot of people have

825
00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:58,799
suggested that a lot of that money that

826
00:34:02,789 --> 00:34:00,720
was collected went to pay

827
00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:02,799
tom delong's debts down because he sort

828
00:34:06,149 --> 00:34:03,440
of

829
00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:06,159
folded a hot dog company a t-shirt

830
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:08,240
company i believe i'm speaking from

831
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:10,560
memory so if i misspelled it i i

832
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:13,679
apologize but he folded a lot of his

833
00:34:19,829 --> 00:34:17,520
like failing companies debts into ttsa

834
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:19,839
and and i don't i don't know i looked at

835
00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:21,280
some of the financial paperwork and i

836
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:22,480
don't understand where all the money

837
00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:24,480
went and he was paying his sister a

838
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:26,320
hundred thousand dollars a year for god

839
00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:27,599
knows what

840
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:29,200
yeah we don't know where any of the

841
00:34:33,750 --> 00:34:31,200
money went so when people have chris

842
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:33,760
mellon or lou

843
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:36,159
and they're giving them more money i i

844
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:37,919
feel like first they have to explain

845
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:39,679
what happened to the millions that they

846
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:41,839
already collected with ttsa

847
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:43,760
where's the spaceship

848
00:34:48,069 --> 00:34:45,679
and then you know

849
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:48,079
maybe you could talk about the money

850
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:50,159
that they're making now you know or

851
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:52,639
collecting mail

852
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:55,919
book deals tv deals and you know

853
00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:57,520
and lou alzado is an interesting

854
00:35:01,109 --> 00:34:59,200
character every once in a while he drops

855
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:01,119
some incredible claim

856
00:35:06,069 --> 00:35:03,599
but has never provided any proof like he

857
00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:06,079
recently said that the government is is

858
00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:08,320
in possession of alien biological

859
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:09,520
samples

860
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:11,280
but then when pressed for proof he

861
00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:13,680
starts talking about ndas and his you

862
00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:15,280
know yeah

863
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:16,800
i can't tell you about it i just told

864
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:18,960
you about it but i can't tell you

865
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:20,880
it's so secret i can't tell you about it

866
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:23,440
but i just did you know

867
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:25,200
it doesn't make any sense if that was

868
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:27,280
covered under his nda's or his clearance

869
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:29,680
he wouldn't say the government has got

870
00:35:35,589 --> 00:35:32,160
biological samples he won't be able to

871
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:35,599
talk about it at all right that's right

872
00:35:40,069 --> 00:35:38,160
i'm no expert here well in the past i've

873
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:40,079
held security clearances when i worked

874
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:42,720
on software projects and you're right

875
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:44,640
you're you you just can't talk about it

876
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:49,510
yeah and his he and his sister had

877
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:51,200
almost all the stock cal korff is

878
00:35:55,349 --> 00:35:53,040
chiming in california well maybe it's

879
00:36:00,310 --> 00:35:55,359
done a lot of research into that right

880
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:01,829
yeah

881
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:04,560
and so you know i guess i guess it's

882
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:07,119
interesting that your blog covers

883
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:09,599
old historical cases but you're also up

884
00:36:13,270 --> 00:36:12,320
to date on some of the latest happenings

885
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:13,280
and

886
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:15,599
in the in the crazy conspiracy world of

887
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:18,560
ufos here right

888
00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:21,599
well i try to i try to

889
00:36:26,230 --> 00:36:23,839
and uh

890
00:36:28,870 --> 00:36:26,240
i mean i try i try to stay on top of uh

891
00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:28,880
all the crazy stuff that's happening

892
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:31,520
and uh oh cowgirl she's always got

893
00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:33,920
something funny to say yeah alexander is

894
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:36,400
not only a remote viewer he says

895
00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:38,560
real so that's right he's now blown his

896
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:40,880
left nut off i don't know why in fact in

897
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:43,119
fact he said roswell was not one crash

898
00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:44,880
it was two crashes

899
00:36:48,310 --> 00:36:46,640
that occurred well a lot of people

900
00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:48,320
believe that there was a debris field

901
00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:50,000
crash and then there was a secondary

902
00:36:53,829 --> 00:36:52,000
crash where the bodies were

903
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:53,839
if if you believe the literature that's

904
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:55,040
out there

905
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:55,839
yeah

906
00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:57,599
we did a whole series on roswell and i'm

907
00:37:01,270 --> 00:36:59,520
still on the fence because i there's

908
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:01,280
just a lot of things that don't make

909
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:02,880
sense about roswell

910
00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:04,480
and the government's you know they're on

911
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:06,560
their third story explaining what really

912
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:09,119
happened now well i don't think you pay

913
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:11,280
too much attention to those you know a

914
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:13,440
lot of if especially if you look at all

915
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:16,560
those people that have um

916
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:17,760
the uh

917
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:18,640
with the

918
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:20,480
you know it's funny i stop and i read

919
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:23,040
the uh what the reading the last chat

920
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:24,960
yeah yeah and then i think well we gotta

921
00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:27,280
talk about that and uh

922
00:37:29,589 --> 00:37:28,240
yeah

923
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:29,599
if you look at the people who are doing

924
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:31,200
the so-called uh

925
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:33,040
a uh

926
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:36,000
uap task force for the pentagon now they

927
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:38,640
don't even recognize out of focus images

928
00:37:42,550 --> 00:37:40,800
when they see them you know they don't

929
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:42,560
even understand about parallax the

930
00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:45,119
so-called go fast

931
00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:48,079
video but go fast ufo is not going fast

932
00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:49,920
it's going very slowly it's almost

933
00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:52,160
standing still but the plane is moving

934
00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:54,560
at like 400 miles an hour so if it's

935
00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:56,480
moving at 400 miles an hour and this is

936
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:58,720
standing still you're in a plane you're

937
00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:00,240
going to see this thing moving behind

938
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:02,960
you at a great rate of speed but good

939
00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:05,359
lord i mean how dumb they have to be to

940
00:38:10,950 --> 00:38:08,560
not realize this but that's that so

941
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:10,960
that's what that's that's an example of

942
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:12,480
government analyst you know good enough

943
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:18,470
that's a great that's great actually and

944
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:20,640
i i gotta tell you one other thing about

945
00:38:27,430 --> 00:38:24,160
your blog that's pretty funny uh because

946
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:27,440
i uh i you have an article about travis

947
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:29,119
walton and his

948
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:31,040
girlfriend's baby getting abducted by

949
00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:33,040
aliens right right and it was from a

950
00:38:37,990 --> 00:38:34,240
question

951
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:38,000
from uh theories of everything i saw it

952
00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:40,800
right and uh you know i read your blog

953
00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:44,160
and it's so funny i i i go on your blog

954
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:46,320
around this time a little after you

955
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:48,400
posted this and i just cracked up do you

956
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:49,599
know why

957
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:51,680
well i'm the guy i'm the guy who sent

958
00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:54,000
kurt all that information about travis's

959
00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:55,359
second

960
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:57,280
uh abduction with his girlfriend and the

961
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:58,560
baby being

962
00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:59,520
you know

963
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:01,119
i don't know beamed out of her stomach

964
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:04,320
or stolen by the aliens so i almost fell

965
00:39:09,510 --> 00:39:06,320
off my chair because i said

966
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:09,520
oh my god uh i'm i the question that i

967
00:39:14,790 --> 00:39:12,560
sent into kurt is in bad ufos and that

968
00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:14,800
was cool

969
00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:17,040
i'm really glad you sent that in because

970
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:19,119
that was you know yeah kurt's a good guy

971
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:21,359
and he realizes that there are some

972
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:23,200
people out there that know

973
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:25,119
you know a lot of the minutia that he

974
00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:27,280
may be missing so he relies on me

975
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:28,960
sometimes to give him some of the dirt

976
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:30,400
on some of these guys

977
00:39:35,109 --> 00:39:32,880
that's good and i send in some questions

978
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:35,119
i got to ask lou a question and i asked

979
00:39:40,230 --> 00:39:37,680
why doesn't he just show his tax returns

980
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:40,240
to prove the level of pay and the pay

981
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:41,440
grade that he was getting in the

982
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:42,960
leadership role that he had in this

983
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:45,359
program and he didn't like that question

984
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:46,560
one bit

985
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:48,480
and i've been attacked viciously people

986
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:50,640
saying showing his tax returns wouldn't

987
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:52,640
prove anything but to me yes it would it

988
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:54,560
would prove his level of pay which would

989
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:58,079
prove his level of leadership or his

990
00:40:02,710 --> 00:40:00,480
level of non-leadership but he might be

991
00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:02,720
saying his text you've lived in the um

992
00:40:09,190 --> 00:40:05,920
dc area that everybody says oh i'm a gs

993
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:09,200
this and a gs that i'm a gs9 i'm a gs11

994
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:11,520
i'm a gs13 you know he was supposed to

995
00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:14,240
be a gs 15 i believe as i think so yeah

996
00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:15,520
i don't know what he would be but the

997
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:17,839
point is the tax returns

998
00:40:22,309 --> 00:40:19,440
all that they would prove was that he

999
00:40:23,829 --> 00:40:22,319
was a gs 15 or 14 or whatever he claimed

1000
00:40:25,829 --> 00:40:23,839
i'd like him to prove at least that much

1001
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:25,839
he hasn't yeah well that would be but

1002
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:27,839
then if you noticed and i quoted this in

1003
00:40:34,870 --> 00:40:30,720
the latest blog posting james liquetsky

1004
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:34,880
who is actually was the head of aawsap

1005
00:40:40,390 --> 00:40:36,400
you know all this stuff about pentagon

1006
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:40,400
ufo programs they say there you go aatip

1007
00:40:43,390 --> 00:40:42,400
that's supposedly elizondo headed up

1008
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:43,400
then

1009
00:40:49,030 --> 00:40:46,480
aawsap and so on if you look at what

1010
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:49,040
james lucaski said he was on the

1011
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:52,480
um coast-to-coast show with george knapp

1012
00:40:56,309 --> 00:40:53,680
recently

1013
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:56,319
and what he said was well he had you

1014
00:41:01,349 --> 00:40:57,839
know talking about arizona he had his

1015
00:41:02,550 --> 00:41:01,359
program and i had mine my program had 22

1016
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:02,560
million dollar

1017
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:04,640
budget which we know about then the

1018
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:08,079
money went to bigelow for his uh you

1019
00:41:12,309 --> 00:41:09,839
know his contract for his people to

1020
00:41:15,030 --> 00:41:12,319
write about weird science he said my

1021
00:41:17,829 --> 00:41:15,040
program had 22 million dollars budget

1022
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:17,839
his program had zero

1023
00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:19,359
aatip

1024
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:22,480
had zero zero funding

1025
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:24,960
yeah so how do you run a whole program

1026
00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:27,520
yeah how do you run a whole program

1027
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:29,440
you know what else is very suspect you

1028
00:41:34,069 --> 00:41:31,280
know what else is very suspect there's

1029
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:34,079
not one piece of paperwork not one

1030
00:41:38,470 --> 00:41:37,680
report that we can look at that elizondo

1031
00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:38,480
did

1032
00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:39,680
not one

1033
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:41,920
you know briefing document he gave to

1034
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:43,200
superiors

1035
00:41:47,829 --> 00:41:46,000
they even deleted all his emails and he

1036
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:47,839
he i believe is trying to turn that into

1037
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:50,640
some conspiracy yeah i've been in touch

1038
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:52,880
with somebody i've been in touch with

1039
00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:55,680
somebody at the pentagon who's in it

1040
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:58,240
and i'm a computer science guy so you

1041
00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:00,160
know i have a lot of friends one of them

1042
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:02,480
is in the pentagon and he works in i.t

1043
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:03,920
and he told me

1044
00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:05,839
they would never have deleted all his

1045
00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:07,760
emails if there was anything of

1046
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:09,040
governmental

1047
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:11,200
importance or defense department

1048
00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:13,680
importance in his emails yeah if they

1049
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:16,000
deleted all his emails it was because

1050
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:18,640
there was nothing of any importance in

1051
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:20,800
all of his emails which is another

1052
00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:23,520
suspicious thing why well about the

1053
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:26,560
deleted emails uh john greenwald on the

1054
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:29,359
on the uh blackvault he yeah he went

1055
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:30,720
through this a couple of weeks or a

1056
00:42:34,870 --> 00:42:32,720
couple of months ago and he said well

1057
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:34,880
these it when it was first reported he

1058
00:42:37,829 --> 00:42:36,640
said oh it's very strange these emails

1059
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:37,839
are missing

1060
00:42:43,510 --> 00:42:41,200
and uh it's um perhaps you know

1061
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:43,520
possibilities are trying to hide his

1062
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:44,960
employment or is what he said or

1063
00:42:48,069 --> 00:42:46,480
something like that because they would

1064
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:48,079
have to go through all these steps to

1065
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:49,920
delete and since they didn't go through

1066
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:51,760
the steps therefore

1067
00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:54,400
what uh you know there was no legitimate

1068
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:55,359
reason

1069
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:58,000
then about and i said i still think it's

1070
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:01,680
more likely that it you know simply

1071
00:43:05,190 --> 00:43:03,440
very simply that you know somebody

1072
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:05,200
screwed up in the process and it wasn't

1073
00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:07,040
had nothing to do with elizondo probably

1074
00:43:12,309 --> 00:43:08,800
had to do with a lot of different people

1075
00:43:13,510 --> 00:43:12,319
and the process screwed up and uh so

1076
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:13,520
then he

1077
00:43:19,109 --> 00:43:17,750
i guess a while later then it there

1078
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:19,119
wasn't something released by the

1079
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:21,040
pentagon that said oh we've screwed up

1080
00:43:25,910 --> 00:43:24,160
on a bunch of these so uh basically uh

1081
00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:25,920
kind of validated what i was saying that

1082
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:27,680
you know this was not anything specific

1083
00:43:32,069 --> 00:43:30,160
to elizondo it was a case of some

1084
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:32,079
department manager or some department

1085
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:34,319
somehow not following procedures

1086
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:36,240
so i don't really think it was anything

1087
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:42,470
yeah anything too much about that no big

1088
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:43,760
conspiracy

1089
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:45,119
i mean it would make sense that there

1090
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:47,280
was nothing of importance there because

1091
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:48,800
if there was anything of national

1092
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:51,119
security or defense department

1093
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:52,800
importance there they don't delete the

1094
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:55,040
emails they keep them for record's sake

1095
00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:56,960
you know for right for you know

1096
00:44:01,750 --> 00:43:59,280
reference

1097
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:01,760
i'd like to see one report of him

1098
00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:04,000
actually doing any kind of ufo

1099
00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:06,160
investigation turns out he was he never

1100
00:44:12,069 --> 00:44:07,280
did

1101
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:12,079
field investigation

1102
00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:14,160
he never interviewed anybody in fact

1103
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:16,720
this alex dietrich who was a direct

1104
00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:19,440
witness to the tic tac video event

1105
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:21,839
he didn't even meet her or talk to her

1106
00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:23,839
until he had already resigned from the

1107
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:26,240
program if she was a direct witness and

1108
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:28,560
she was investigating yeah if she was a

1109
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:31,200
direct witness and he was investigating

1110
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:32,880
wouldn't it make sense that he

1111
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:35,839
interviewed her about the event he

1112
00:44:41,109 --> 00:44:38,720
here's what here's what we know at least

1113
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:41,119
i think we know is that there is no

1114
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:45,040
evidence that aatip or alessandro ever

1115
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:46,720
did any

1116
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:48,720
investigation of any case there's not a

1117
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:50,400
single piece of paper there's not a

1118
00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:51,520
single

1119
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:52,720
uh

1120
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:54,800
no evidence of any kind to tell us that

1121
00:44:57,990 --> 00:44:56,160
this was something that actually

1122
00:44:59,829 --> 00:44:58,000
happened you know that they actually

1123
00:45:01,349 --> 00:44:59,839
were doing anything who knows they may

1124
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:01,359
have been looking at it and coming to

1125
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:03,119
their own conclusions but you know as

1126
00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:05,119
far as you think an investigation you

1127
00:45:09,829 --> 00:45:07,440
write his notes i write notes

1128
00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:09,839
you know where you write notes i'm sure

1129
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:11,920
but you know as far as there's there's

1130
00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:13,359
nothing and in fact

1131
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:15,119
getting back to the black vault john

1132
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:20,710
there was no

1133
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:21,839
he he

1134
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:24,160
made a freedom of information request

1135
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:27,920
for a project goals or project budget

1136
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:29,440
project statement or anything and

1137
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:37,349
neither one of them had any

1138
00:45:41,589 --> 00:45:40,079
project statement any project goals this

1139
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:41,599
is insane

1140
00:45:46,309 --> 00:45:43,200
so yeah if you've got all these a

1141
00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:46,319
project it's uh yeah i'd like to know as

1142
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:48,400
a taxpayer i'd like to know what we got

1143
00:45:54,150 --> 00:45:51,359
for our 22 million dollars

1144
00:45:56,710 --> 00:45:54,160
38 papers we know exactly what we got we

1145
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:56,720
got 38 papers on weird science and if

1146
00:46:01,750 --> 00:46:00,000
you go into the search box type in 38

1147
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:01,760
papers you'll so you'll find the link to

1148
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:04,079
show exactly where this is and it's

1149
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:07,040
weird stuff it's written by eric davis

1150
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:09,200
and harold put off and all these various

1151
00:46:15,589 --> 00:46:12,480
people and it says anti-gravity and you

1152
00:46:18,390 --> 00:46:15,599
know all this kind of stuff and it's uh

1153
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:18,400
it's nothing that is uh in any sense

1154
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:21,839
useful to practical as far as i can see

1155
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:23,839
yeah it's just kind of ridiculous that

1156
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:26,160
22 million dollars got spent

1157
00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:28,400
and these guys funneled over to bigelow

1158
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:30,319
somehow because remember harry reid yeah

1159
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:32,000
sweetheart

1160
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:34,640
at the time he was yeah and uh he was a

1161
00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:36,800
democrat leader in the senate and then

1162
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:39,520
bigelow was a large major campaign

1163
00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:42,640
contributor to him and so he persuaded

1164
00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:44,560
bigelow to persuade a couple of his

1165
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:48,720
buddies to then create this aaw sap with

1166
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:51,200
a budget of 22 million dollars and the

1167
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:52,640
sole bidder

1168
00:46:57,910 --> 00:46:55,440
was a bigelow aerospace or advanced

1169
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:57,920
aerospace or whatever nonsense and then

1170
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:59,520
he just gave it to the people to write

1171
00:47:02,630 --> 00:47:01,200
these papers which works out to

1172
00:47:05,430 --> 00:47:02,640
something like three hundred thousand

1173
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:05,440
dollars a paper approximately now i

1174
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:08,319
could write you a really fine paper for

1175
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:11,280
uh three hundred thousand dollars

1176
00:47:15,190 --> 00:47:13,680
yeah let's sign up mr shafer i want to

1177
00:47:17,589 --> 00:47:15,200
write a paper too

1178
00:47:19,270 --> 00:47:17,599
about remote viewing or something yeah

1179
00:47:22,549 --> 00:47:19,280
remote viewing that would be a real good

1180
00:47:24,549 --> 00:47:22,559
one yeah well you know one of them

1181
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:24,559
eric davis is an interesting character

1182
00:47:28,230 --> 00:47:26,240
and and so many people think that he

1183
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:28,240
really knows the truth about where the

1184
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:29,839
bodies are and all this like he's

1185
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:31,920
claiming that he briefed people senators

1186
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:34,000
about the alien crash retrievals and the

1187
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:36,160
off-world vehicles right he's playing

1188
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:39,119
and i say show me one show me one song

1189
00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:41,599
exactly i sat in on a briefing show me

1190
00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:43,599
one because he does the same dance when

1191
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:46,319
people call him on his bs he says well i

1192
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:48,000
have security clearances and i can't

1193
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:49,520
fight well then how did you tell us you

1194
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:51,359
were running class five briefings about

1195
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:54,319
aliens bro it doesn't make any sense and

1196
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:56,960
davis has been called i found an article

1197
00:48:01,910 --> 00:47:59,280
actually a listener of mine victor

1198
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:01,920
cagliaro great ufo researcher he sent me

1199
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:04,960
in the late 80s uh eric davis got paid

1200
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:06,800
tens of thousands of dollars to write a

1201
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:09,280
paper on warp drive and tel you know

1202
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:10,640
stargates

1203
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:12,640
and there's like pictures of barney the

1204
00:48:16,630 --> 00:48:15,680
kids dinosaur and einstein

1205
00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:16,640
like

1206
00:48:22,150 --> 00:48:20,160
waving at a dinosaur through a stargate

1207
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:22,160
and and he charged the air force like

1208
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:24,240
tens of thousands of dollars then there

1209
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:26,000
was newspaper articles where the air

1210
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:27,760
force representative said that what he

1211
00:48:32,549 --> 00:48:29,839
did was crackpot science not real

1212
00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:32,559
science but somehow he's supposed to be

1213
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:34,880
a credible guy right

1214
00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:36,960
yeah well he has a degree you know what

1215
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:39,599
he's uh he's he's um he's an adjunct

1216
00:48:43,030 --> 00:48:40,640
professor

1217
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:43,040
of physicist or something like that yeah

1218
00:48:46,309 --> 00:48:44,880
well he was a guy who's talking about

1219
00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:46,319
poltergeist right he said that

1220
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:49,119
poltergeist followed him back from uh

1221
00:48:53,670 --> 00:48:51,680
skid walkway from the skinwalker ranch

1222
00:48:55,829 --> 00:48:53,680
at home i guess i hate it when that

1223
00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:55,839
happens you know yeah and eric davis

1224
00:49:00,829 --> 00:48:57,839
just just said that john from the black

1225
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:00,839
vote had dick and mouth disease

1226
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:02,640
yeah

1227
00:49:07,109 --> 00:49:05,040
i wonder what he'll say about me

1228
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:07,119
yeah i'm gonna i'm about to get dick and

1229
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:08,960
mouth disease because i keep on saying

1230
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:10,480
that that guy is i'm sorry he's a

1231
00:49:14,790 --> 00:49:12,480
crackpot he's written a whole bunch of

1232
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:14,800
wackadoo theories nothing

1233
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:17,359
like real he can't ever prove any of the

1234
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:19,599
statements he made he's responsible for

1235
00:49:24,549 --> 00:49:22,240
this wilson davis notes that are

1236
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:24,559
you know going around and richard dolan

1237
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:26,400
swears they're real based on 12

1238
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:28,800
anonymous sources that nobody else is

1239
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:30,880
allowed to interview you know

1240
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:33,359
yeah and the and the admiral said that

1241
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:34,960
they were a work of fiction but that

1242
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:37,520
doesn't stop ufo profiteers like richard

1243
00:49:40,549 --> 00:49:39,680
dolan from running around selling them

1244
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:40,559
right

1245
00:49:50,309 --> 00:49:48,069
yeah and davis said roswell really

1246
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:50,319
happened hey for all i know it did but

1247
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:52,079
it doesn't it doesn't work not

1248
00:49:57,829 --> 00:49:55,200
necessarily in the way that

1249
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:57,839
he actually

1250
00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:00,720
no it's um it's amazing

1251
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:02,960
yeah somebody mentioned cash cow and it

1252
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:05,200
seems to me that people like hal put off

1253
00:50:09,829 --> 00:50:08,079
and eric davis have been on the take

1254
00:50:12,309 --> 00:50:09,839
taking money from people to do what it

1255
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:12,319
can only be called crackpot research hal

1256
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:14,640
put off his boss declared oh we could

1257
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:17,520
get into uh amazing randy hal put off

1258
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:20,400
eric davis boss once declared yuri

1259
00:50:25,829 --> 00:50:23,040
geller a real and genuine psychic with

1260
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:25,839
real superpowers absolutely what people

1261
00:50:30,069 --> 00:50:28,319
don't know is that besides the amazing

1262
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:30,079
randy busting him for being a fraud

1263
00:50:34,870 --> 00:50:32,400
using magic tricks recently i don't know

1264
00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:34,880
if you even know this mr schaefer yuri

1265
00:50:39,670 --> 00:50:37,280
geller recently admitted at a conference

1266
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:39,680
of magicians that he used all kinds of

1267
00:50:44,950 --> 00:50:42,319
magic tricks and then he started selling

1268
00:50:46,390 --> 00:50:44,960
books and dvds to magicians on how to do

1269
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:46,400
his tricks

1270
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:48,960
so hal said he had real super powers

1271
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:50,800
turns out he was using magic tricks the

1272
00:51:00,710 --> 00:50:52,160
whole time

1273
00:51:04,549 --> 00:51:02,549
super chat very kind and generous of you

1274
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:04,559
he says whackadoo yes there's a money

1275
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:06,400
button down there if you want to throw

1276
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:08,559
money at me that would be very helpful

1277
00:51:12,069 --> 00:51:10,319
we're a viewer supported show we read

1278
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:12,079
every super chat please do that there's

1279
00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:13,920
a money button down there in the chat

1280
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:15,839
you can send as little or as much as you

1281
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:18,240
want somebody please send me 22 million

1282
00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:19,920
dollars in a super chat because i want

1283
00:51:25,349 --> 00:51:21,760
to write some papers i'll write more

1284
00:51:30,069 --> 00:51:27,510
yeah so tell us about your association

1285
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:30,079
with the amazing randy who for those

1286
00:51:34,829 --> 00:51:31,520
that don't know was a magician and

1287
00:51:38,549 --> 00:51:34,839
skeptic who busted faith healers fake

1288
00:51:40,230 --> 00:51:38,559
psychics and more right yeah

1289
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:40,240
well when i first started to get

1290
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:44,079
involved with uh cycop and with the

1291
00:51:50,470 --> 00:51:47,040
skeptics organized skeptics groups i no

1292
00:51:53,190 --> 00:51:50,480
longer am a member of cyclop i formerly

1293
00:51:56,549 --> 00:51:53,200
was a uh

1294
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:56,559
a fellow of cycop for uh

1295
00:52:01,109 --> 00:51:59,680
almost uh 40 years i wrote the skeptical

1296
00:52:03,750 --> 00:52:01,119
inquirer of the column psychic

1297
00:52:06,309 --> 00:52:03,760
vibrations but they started getting far

1298
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:06,319
away from the ideals of skepticism it

1299
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:07,520
started

1300
00:52:13,270 --> 00:52:10,400
uh a bit even back in the 80s and the

1301
00:52:14,630 --> 00:52:13,280
90s and by now they're you know it's

1302
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:14,640
sort of like you know there's this

1303
00:52:19,510 --> 00:52:17,200
narrative you know question after dr

1304
00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:19,520
fauci says this or michael mann says

1305
00:52:24,069 --> 00:52:21,920
that it's absolute uh

1306
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:24,079
uh truth and if you question it while

1307
00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:27,119
you're a conspiracy not and so on uh

1308
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:29,280
cyclop didn't used to be like that the

1309
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:32,800
people who originally were the founders

1310
00:52:38,069 --> 00:52:36,160
uh i mean you they they were a very

1311
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:38,079
diverse group and in terms of what they

1312
00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:39,599
thought and what they believed there was

1313
00:52:45,430 --> 00:52:41,920
no political element to it we'd get

1314
00:52:48,390 --> 00:52:45,440
together and we'd talk about you know

1315
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:48,400
arie geller we talk about astrology we

1316
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:51,440
talk about ufos this kind of thing now

1317
00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:53,040
they get together and they talk about

1318
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:54,880
whether they have enough blacks here and

1319
00:52:59,109 --> 00:52:56,880
enough women there and

1320
00:53:00,630 --> 00:52:59,119
you know

1321
00:53:02,150 --> 00:53:00,640
oh well

1322
00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:02,160
so

1323
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:04,640
but yeah he was he was a great guy uh

1324
00:53:09,030 --> 00:53:06,720
and he was a very independent thinker he

1325
00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:09,040
didn't necessarily you know follow any

1326
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:11,440
party line or anything like that

1327
00:53:14,710 --> 00:53:12,720
and uh

1328
00:53:16,870 --> 00:53:14,720
but he understood because he was a good

1329
00:53:19,349 --> 00:53:16,880
magician he understood the tricks that

1330
00:53:21,109 --> 00:53:19,359
gellert was doing and he wanted to make

1331
00:53:25,109 --> 00:53:21,119
sure that people understood this and

1332
00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:25,119
people saw this and uh so he uh you know

1333
00:53:31,190 --> 00:53:28,400
uh because at that time yeah or yellow

1334
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:31,200
was a was a uh a big deal and of course

1335
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:33,680
the the two scientists who were

1336
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:35,760
investigating gully were targe and put

1337
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:38,960
off uh russ targ and harold put off put

1338
00:53:43,750 --> 00:53:40,800
off of course is now working with and

1339
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:43,760
has been working with bigelow for

1340
00:53:49,270 --> 00:53:47,440
decades uh uh put off has his own

1341
00:53:51,670 --> 00:53:49,280
research group

1342
00:53:53,109 --> 00:53:51,680
forget what he calls it down in austin

1343
00:53:54,549 --> 00:53:53,119
you know yeah there's the movie an

1344
00:53:56,710 --> 00:53:54,559
honest liar

1345
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:56,720
i recommend people who

1346
00:54:00,549 --> 00:53:58,240
see that if they can it's very

1347
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:00,559
interesting

1348
00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:03,920
yeah great great documentary and i think

1349
00:54:07,589 --> 00:54:05,599
you know i got the chance to meet him a

1350
00:54:09,910 --> 00:54:07,599
few times

1351
00:54:12,870 --> 00:54:09,920
at the home of gary darwin the magician

1352
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:12,880
who since passed away who had a museum

1353
00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:16,400
of magic in las vegas and uh he was very

1354
00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:18,800
very kind to me and uh and gave me a lot

1355
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:21,119
of advice

1356
00:54:24,549 --> 00:54:22,880
and he was there everybody almost

1357
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:24,559
universally reports that if you've had a

1358
00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:27,520
chance to meet randy it was great and

1359
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:29,440
you know oh i went to this gathering

1360
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:33,040
just because just because gary darwin

1361
00:54:38,710 --> 00:54:36,240
mentioned to me in passing oh yeah uh

1362
00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:38,720
uh amazing randy you know james randy's

1363
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:40,400
in town and he's going to be at our

1364
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:41,920
get-together tonight

1365
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:43,440
and i didn't know

1366
00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:45,440
this man gary darwin very well but i'm

1367
00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:46,240
like

1368
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:49,040
can i come please you know just because

1369
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:51,599
i wanted to meet randy and i got to and

1370
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:52,480
that was

1371
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:54,720
really interesting and we talked a lot

1372
00:54:59,430 --> 00:54:56,480
about yuri geller

1373
00:55:03,430 --> 00:54:59,440
and boy yuri geller sued him and

1374
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:03,440
harassed him and for years they had this

1375
00:55:07,109 --> 00:55:05,119
and then to tell you what kind of a guy

1376
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:07,119
you're a geller is when amazing randy

1377
00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:09,599
passed away when james randy passed away

1378
00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:11,920
yuri geller basically said good i hope

1379
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:13,280
he burns in hell

1380
00:55:16,630 --> 00:55:15,280
that's what he said when the man died in

1381
00:55:21,030 --> 00:55:16,640
yuri geller

1382
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:21,040
such a spiritual psychic right

1383
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:22,079
yeah

1384
00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:26,400
but he did a lot to uh to inform people

1385
00:55:31,270 --> 00:55:28,319
about these fraudsters that are out

1386
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:31,280
there especially faith healers and media

1387
00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:33,680
face healers and the psychic surgeons

1388
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:36,960
and so on there was a big that whole um

1389
00:55:40,710 --> 00:55:38,160
thing where

1390
00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:40,720
randy organized people to go after what

1391
00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:43,359
was the psychiatry uh what was the name

1392
00:55:47,589 --> 00:55:45,920
of the of the psychic or the so-called

1393
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:47,599
faith healer who

1394
00:55:54,789 --> 00:55:51,200
was such a big uh a big guy and uh

1395
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:54,799
oh put off or no not put off uh um

1396
00:55:57,670 --> 00:55:56,160
peter poppet

1397
00:56:00,150 --> 00:55:57,680
that right peter popoff that's right

1398
00:56:02,230 --> 00:56:00,160
peter paul that's his name yeah he was

1399
00:56:06,150 --> 00:56:02,240
uh randy orton and actually it was the

1400
00:56:07,750 --> 00:56:06,160
bay area skeptics who did a lot of uh

1401
00:56:10,789 --> 00:56:07,760
that

1402
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:10,799
put it together bob steiner um he called

1403
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:12,559
me several times talked about that

1404
00:56:17,670 --> 00:56:15,599
invited me to join in the day-to-day of

1405
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:17,680
it but i was working a whole lot of

1406
00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:20,160
hours at that time and i wasn't in any

1407
00:56:25,829 --> 00:56:24,240
situation that to do so but uh

1408
00:56:28,390 --> 00:56:25,839
but it basically it was several of the

1409
00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:28,400
bay area skeptics it was all people that

1410
00:56:32,549 --> 00:56:30,720
i know uh that you know went there and

1411
00:56:34,230 --> 00:56:32,559
did this and got basically got the goods

1412
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:34,240
on peter popoff

1413
00:56:40,870 --> 00:56:37,200
and uh the fellow don hinvik who did

1414
00:56:42,309 --> 00:56:40,880
the acting of uh several roles and got

1415
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:42,319
phony healing

1416
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:45,760
uh from uh peter popov once in drag he

1417
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:48,480
was also a bayern skeptic and uh

1418
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:49,680
i did it

1419
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:51,520
oh yeah yeah one of the last one yeah he

1420
00:56:55,589 --> 00:56:53,520
was healed of everything

1421
00:56:58,309 --> 00:56:55,599
and the last one he

1422
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:58,319
he was healed of ovarian cancer by peter

1423
00:57:02,230 --> 00:57:00,160
popoff

1424
00:57:03,510 --> 00:57:02,240
without ovaries that's a good trick

1425
00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:03,520
right right

1426
00:57:07,270 --> 00:57:05,200
and for those that don't know

1427
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:07,280
for those that don't know what what the

1428
00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:08,640
what

1429
00:57:14,950 --> 00:57:12,880
popoff was having people fill out prayer

1430
00:57:16,630 --> 00:57:14,960
cards and they would put whatever was

1431
00:57:18,390 --> 00:57:16,640
ailing them like if they had heart

1432
00:57:19,270 --> 00:57:18,400
problems cancer

1433
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:19,280
you know

1434
00:57:24,630 --> 00:57:21,920
diabetes on their prayer cards

1435
00:57:27,190 --> 00:57:24,640
and then he had an earpiece and his wife

1436
00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:27,200
was backstage reading the prayer cards

1437
00:57:32,710 --> 00:57:29,920
but put off papa off excuse me would

1438
00:57:34,309 --> 00:57:32,720
make it appear as if god was telling him

1439
00:57:37,349 --> 00:57:34,319
oh you know

1440
00:57:39,270 --> 00:57:37,359
robert shaffer please stand up oh i know

1441
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:39,280
you have a problem with cancer cancer of

1442
00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:41,760
the esophagus or whatever and everybody

1443
00:57:45,910 --> 00:57:44,480
would go wow like how does he know that

1444
00:57:47,349 --> 00:57:45,920
god

1445
00:57:49,109 --> 00:57:47,359
his wife

1446
00:57:50,950 --> 00:57:49,119
yeah he had a little uh

1447
00:57:53,910 --> 00:57:50,960
yeah he had a little earpiece and randy

1448
00:57:56,309 --> 00:57:53,920
got a frequency he got a he got a radio

1449
00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:56,319
set that could pick up any frequency

1450
00:58:00,470 --> 00:57:57,920
they found the frequency and they

1451
00:58:02,950 --> 00:58:00,480
recorded his wife feeding him all the

1452
00:58:05,109 --> 00:58:02,960
lines it was beautiful exactly exactly

1453
00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:05,119
right yeah they uh we had a we got a guy

1454
00:58:09,430 --> 00:58:07,680
who was a expert in the electronic

1455
00:58:13,910 --> 00:58:09,440
surveillance to come in and do this to

1456
00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:17,030
now this guy lincoln liar says that

1457
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:18,480
randy was never going to part with the

1458
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:19,760
million dollars

1459
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:21,280
he doesn't seem to understand how this

1460
00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:23,760
was done it was done as a challenge and

1461
00:58:28,150 --> 00:58:26,000
yeah it's a million-dollar challenge

1462
00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:28,160
both sides would agree that when miranda

1463
00:58:31,750 --> 00:58:29,760
would say well what do you do and he'd

1464
00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:31,760
say well i read cards or something like

1465
00:58:36,150 --> 00:58:33,359
that and use how many how many what

1466
00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:36,160
percentage can you get right oh i get 80

1467
00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:39,359
right okay well let's have a uh test

1468
00:58:44,789 --> 00:58:42,000
then and if you get more than 50 right

1469
00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:44,799
if chance is uh with the esp cars chance

1470
00:58:51,109 --> 00:58:48,720
level is say 20 right and if you get 50

1471
00:58:53,109 --> 00:58:51,119
right or more you you win

1472
00:58:54,710 --> 00:58:53,119
uh and they would both agree to this and

1473
00:58:56,309 --> 00:58:54,720
then if the test was held which

1474
00:58:58,150 --> 00:58:56,319
sometimes it wasn't but usually it was

1475
00:58:59,190 --> 00:58:58,160
and of course they couldn't do it they

1476
00:59:01,270 --> 00:58:59,200
may have

1477
00:59:03,829 --> 00:59:01,280
thought they could do it but you know

1478
00:59:06,950 --> 00:59:03,839
that everything was agreed to in advance

1479
00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:06,960
can you really read uh this or thing

1480
00:59:11,190 --> 00:59:09,280
like that or something if i can do it

1481
00:59:12,870 --> 00:59:11,200
well okay let's set up a test can you

1482
00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:12,880
really find water all right let's set up

1483
00:59:17,109 --> 00:59:15,119
a test one of my favorites was a guy

1484
00:59:20,710 --> 00:59:17,119
randy would never pay well he'd have to

1485
00:59:22,630 --> 00:59:20,720
pay if uh if if the guy did it yeah

1486
00:59:25,109 --> 00:59:22,640
whatever the check was in somebody

1487
00:59:27,510 --> 00:59:25,119
else's hands the judge yeah it was in

1488
00:59:30,150 --> 00:59:27,520
trust the judges said yes you passed

1489
00:59:31,510 --> 00:59:30,160
then the guy gets to check you know yeah

1490
00:59:33,030 --> 00:59:31,520
and you know what's interesting to me

1491
00:59:35,270 --> 00:59:33,040
one of the most interesting one was the

1492
00:59:37,109 --> 00:59:35,280
guy who was claiming that he was like

1493
00:59:39,670 --> 00:59:37,119
turning the pages of a phone book with

1494
00:59:41,670 --> 00:59:39,680
his mind oh yeah but it turned out that

1495
00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:41,680
his name yeah it turned out he was just

1496
00:59:46,390 --> 00:59:43,599
blowing on the paper trying to get it to

1497
00:59:49,109 --> 00:59:46,400
go and so randy put a bunch of styrofoam

1498
00:59:51,109 --> 00:59:49,119
all around the book and said do it again

1499
00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:51,119
and the guy couldn't do it

1500
00:59:54,069 --> 00:59:52,559
yeah because his neighborhood would go

1501
00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:54,079
all over and you'd see that he was

1502
00:59:59,270 --> 00:59:57,280
blowing on him so yeah

1503
01:00:01,190 --> 00:59:59,280
yeah under laboratory conditions most of

1504
01:00:04,069 --> 01:00:01,200
these guys fail miserably

1505
01:00:06,309 --> 01:00:04,079
and uh randy also famously busted yuri

1506
01:00:07,589 --> 01:00:06,319
geller yuri geller was going on johnny

1507
01:00:09,829 --> 01:00:07,599
carson show

1508
01:00:12,069 --> 01:00:09,839
and johnny carson former magician got

1509
01:00:13,910 --> 01:00:12,079
with randy to devise some tests for mr

1510
01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:13,920
geller and he failed miserably on

1511
01:00:17,190 --> 01:00:15,440
national television

1512
01:00:19,270 --> 01:00:17,200
but interestingly it only made him more

1513
01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:19,280
popular it didn't kill his career which

1514
01:00:21,910 --> 01:00:21,119
is which is interesting

1515
01:00:23,910 --> 01:00:21,920
right

1516
01:00:26,309 --> 01:00:23,920
well that tells you any publicity is

1517
01:00:28,710 --> 01:00:26,319
good publicity right

1518
01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:28,720
yeah yeah it's amazing that that that

1519
01:00:31,510 --> 01:00:30,480
guy he's still trying to he's still

1520
01:00:32,630 --> 01:00:31,520
trying

1521
01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:32,640
today

1522
01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:35,280
he he said he was gonna stop uh brexit

1523
01:00:40,069 --> 01:00:37,760
over in england with his psychic powers

1524
01:00:42,309 --> 01:00:40,079
and that didn't work out well for him

1525
01:00:43,589 --> 01:00:42,319
and a bunch of other stuff you know yeah

1526
01:00:45,910 --> 01:00:43,599
then he was going to do something in the

1527
01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:45,920
other direction i forget and help the

1528
01:00:49,430 --> 01:00:47,760
other uh you know

1529
01:00:51,030 --> 01:00:49,440
help out the right wing and then that

1530
01:00:53,190 --> 01:00:51,040
didn't work either so i don't know what

1531
01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:53,200
he's going to do

1532
01:00:56,710 --> 01:00:54,880
yeah i just found it interesting too

1533
01:00:58,630 --> 01:00:56,720
that people were so willing to believe

1534
01:01:00,549 --> 01:00:58,640
yuri geller even after it came out that

1535
01:01:01,829 --> 01:01:00,559
he was a stage magician before he was a

1536
01:01:03,910 --> 01:01:01,839
psychic

1537
01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:03,920
you know if you were a stage magician

1538
01:01:08,069 --> 01:01:05,760
it's kind of like

1539
01:01:08,789 --> 01:01:08,079
well maybe you're using tricks right you

1540
01:01:10,870 --> 01:01:08,799
know

1541
01:01:13,349 --> 01:01:10,880
people still they wanted so much to

1542
01:01:15,670 --> 01:01:13,359
believe he used chance too like he would

1543
01:01:18,470 --> 01:01:15,680
say he's gonna start people's broken

1544
01:01:20,950 --> 01:01:18,480
watches over the radio and people

1545
01:01:22,710 --> 01:01:20,960
people would report that he did but yeah

1546
01:01:25,349 --> 01:01:22,720
you know i don't know what the source of

1547
01:01:26,870 --> 01:01:25,359
that was well a lot of these old watches

1548
01:01:29,030 --> 01:01:26,880
especially not the kind with batteries

1549
01:01:31,190 --> 01:01:29,040
the old wind-up watches they would stop

1550
01:01:32,950 --> 01:01:31,200
or they'd get a little bit of gum in the

1551
01:01:35,190 --> 01:01:32,960
mechanism and you pick them up and shake

1552
01:01:37,349 --> 01:01:35,200
them and they'd roar they'd run for a

1553
01:01:39,109 --> 01:01:37,359
short time and then they'd stop again

1554
01:01:40,870 --> 01:01:39,119
and that's basically i think what you

1555
01:01:42,309 --> 01:01:40,880
know a lot of this was happening when

1556
01:01:44,789 --> 01:01:42,319
someone's mentioning randy was the first

1557
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:44,799
to publicly show magic was to explain

1558
01:01:48,870 --> 01:01:47,280
the bending spoon thing yeah

1559
01:01:50,230 --> 01:01:48,880
and to this day that's a trick that many

1560
01:01:52,630 --> 01:01:50,240
magicians do

1561
01:01:55,670 --> 01:01:52,640
uh i used to do it i used to have a real

1562
01:01:58,150 --> 01:01:55,680
cheap thin spoons that could bend

1563
01:01:59,190 --> 01:01:58,160
super easily

1564
01:02:00,789 --> 01:01:59,200
and there's all kinds of different

1565
01:02:03,670 --> 01:02:00,799
methods to do that but mostly

1566
01:02:05,430 --> 01:02:03,680
misdirection you you know you uh you

1567
01:02:07,670 --> 01:02:05,440
distract somebody while you bend the

1568
01:02:09,430 --> 01:02:07,680
spoon and then you put it in their hand

1569
01:02:11,029 --> 01:02:09,440
after they saw it straight

1570
01:02:13,670 --> 01:02:11,039
we did a demonstration of that here on

1571
01:02:17,910 --> 01:02:13,680
the show a long time ago

1572
01:02:20,549 --> 01:02:17,920
yeah so interesting that you knew mr uh

1573
01:02:22,309 --> 01:02:20,559
the amazing randy right and even got a

1574
01:02:24,870 --> 01:02:22,319
chance to work with him

1575
01:02:27,029 --> 01:02:24,880
right and interesting bob steiner by the

1576
01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:27,039
way was his accountant the steiner was a

1577
01:02:30,710 --> 01:02:28,960
cpa account bob steiner is another

1578
01:02:32,710 --> 01:02:30,720
magician

1579
01:02:34,470 --> 01:02:32,720
and sometimes randy would come out to

1580
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:34,480
visit steiner and we'd all get together

1581
01:02:38,549 --> 01:02:36,880
and it was great fun

1582
01:02:41,589 --> 01:02:38,559
yeah and and don't you think that a

1583
01:02:43,670 --> 01:02:41,599
magician is a good person to be

1584
01:02:45,190 --> 01:02:43,680
you know like busting frauds and and

1585
01:02:48,069 --> 01:02:45,200
scammers and

1586
01:02:50,230 --> 01:02:48,079
ripoff truly the very best because

1587
01:02:53,750 --> 01:02:50,240
they're familiar with the whole question

1588
01:02:55,109 --> 01:02:53,760
of error and misperception and deception

1589
01:02:57,109 --> 01:02:55,119
you know i mean they're essentially

1590
01:02:59,270 --> 01:02:57,119
they're the specialists the experts in

1591
01:03:01,990 --> 01:02:59,280
that subject and then they see some of

1592
01:03:03,190 --> 01:03:02,000
these amateurs in that subject like uh

1593
01:03:04,630 --> 01:03:03,200
you know

1594
01:03:07,750 --> 01:03:04,640
trying to um

1595
01:03:10,549 --> 01:03:07,760
you know claim an outstanding an amazing

1596
01:03:12,309 --> 01:03:10,559
sighting or something it's very easy to

1597
01:03:13,190 --> 01:03:12,319
uh you know

1598
01:03:14,630 --> 01:03:13,200
you know

1599
01:03:17,190 --> 01:03:14,640
you can be misled

1600
01:03:19,270 --> 01:03:17,200
in my experience with fake psychics

1601
01:03:21,270 --> 01:03:19,280
because we've busted a few here my

1602
01:03:22,150 --> 01:03:21,280
favorite was we had a psychic healer

1603
01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:22,160
here

1604
01:03:25,670 --> 01:03:23,760
and uh she claimed that she could

1605
01:03:28,470 --> 01:03:25,680
diagnose people's illnesses through

1606
01:03:30,950 --> 01:03:28,480
their aura even over the phone so i sent

1607
01:03:32,710 --> 01:03:30,960
her a fake terminal cancer patient

1608
01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:32,720
and she bought it hook line and sinker

1609
01:03:36,230 --> 01:03:34,319
and told him she was healing his cancer

1610
01:03:37,430 --> 01:03:36,240
and shrinking his cancer cells and all

1611
01:03:39,589 --> 01:03:37,440
this stuff

1612
01:03:41,190 --> 01:03:39,599
and uh he didn't have cancer he wasn't

1613
01:03:43,109 --> 01:03:41,200
even sick

1614
01:03:45,349 --> 01:03:43,119
she's threatening to sue me right now mr

1615
01:03:47,990 --> 01:03:45,359
schaefer actually for harassment because

1616
01:03:50,230 --> 01:03:48,000
i proved her superpowers weren't real

1617
01:03:52,950 --> 01:03:50,240
that's a form of harassment now

1618
01:03:54,069 --> 01:03:52,960
right she asked me to test her test her

1619
01:03:55,430 --> 01:03:54,079
powers

1620
01:03:57,990 --> 01:03:55,440
and i did

1621
01:03:59,510 --> 01:03:58,000
and uh she failed miserably well she

1622
01:04:03,589 --> 01:03:59,520
should be grateful then that she

1623
01:04:06,870 --> 01:04:05,430
yeah some of these people really bother

1624
01:04:09,190 --> 01:04:06,880
me though because in that girl's case

1625
01:04:11,109 --> 01:04:09,200
she's charging people a lot of money

1626
01:04:13,750 --> 01:04:11,119
she tells people she can heal their pets

1627
01:04:15,750 --> 01:04:13,760
you know don't take your pen to a vet

1628
01:04:18,309 --> 01:04:15,760
just put it on the phone with me and

1629
01:04:19,829 --> 01:04:18,319
i'll heal it like this is ridiculous

1630
01:04:21,430 --> 01:04:19,839
crazy and she charged people like 300

1631
01:04:23,349 --> 01:04:21,440
bucks for that

1632
01:04:24,470 --> 01:04:23,359
regular vets are charging much more than

1633
01:04:26,230 --> 01:04:24,480
that so

1634
01:04:28,069 --> 01:04:26,240
yeah maybe it's a deal or if it works

1635
01:04:30,390 --> 01:04:28,079
but maybe it's a deal it doesn't work a

1636
01:04:32,710 --> 01:04:30,400
little suspect of it actually working

1637
01:04:34,630 --> 01:04:32,720
there right dog is a hypochondriac which

1638
01:04:36,549 --> 01:04:34,640
i'm sure some of them are at least maybe

1639
01:04:38,630 --> 01:04:36,559
the dog's owner is a hypochondriac

1640
01:04:40,549 --> 01:04:38,640
afraid of dog and so maybe that'll work

1641
01:04:41,910 --> 01:04:40,559
just as well yeah that's what he's

1642
01:04:44,069 --> 01:04:41,920
mentioning houdini busted the

1643
01:04:45,910 --> 01:04:44,079
spiritualists he had a personal thing he

1644
01:04:47,430 --> 01:04:45,920
had a personal he had a personal

1645
01:04:49,109 --> 01:04:47,440
vendetta against spiritualists because

1646
01:04:50,710 --> 01:04:49,119
he was

1647
01:04:52,630 --> 01:04:50,720
very distraught over the death of his

1648
01:04:55,349 --> 01:04:52,640
mother and he went to every medium he

1649
01:04:57,349 --> 01:04:55,359
could find and and found the wall to be

1650
01:04:59,910 --> 01:04:57,359
frauds and he found they were all

1651
01:05:01,670 --> 01:04:59,920
basically [\h__\h] them you know

1652
01:05:03,190 --> 01:05:01,680
yeah and then he made it a point to

1653
01:05:05,270 --> 01:05:03,200
expose them

1654
01:05:07,910 --> 01:05:05,280
yeah exactly exactly and that was just

1655
01:05:10,470 --> 01:05:07,920
about 100 years ago it was like 1920 he

1656
01:05:12,390 --> 01:05:10,480
started this uh campaign he only lived

1657
01:05:14,150 --> 01:05:12,400
for about like six years after that but

1658
01:05:15,990 --> 01:05:14,160
he sure did a whole lot in that amount

1659
01:05:17,190 --> 01:05:16,000
of time

1660
01:05:18,069 --> 01:05:17,200
yeah

1661
01:05:22,230 --> 01:05:18,079
so

1662
01:05:24,150 --> 01:05:22,240
these skeptical organizations

1663
01:05:27,190 --> 01:05:24,160
is there a lot more ufo cases that you

1664
01:05:29,750 --> 01:05:27,200
looked into and found to be garbage

1665
01:05:31,190 --> 01:05:29,760
oh well heck you know i i'm usually

1666
01:05:33,430 --> 01:05:31,200
should we say i'm not like the first

1667
01:05:37,829 --> 01:05:33,440
line uh investigator

1668
01:05:39,510 --> 01:05:37,839
um and class always uh advised against

1669
01:05:40,470 --> 01:05:39,520
trying to get into that situation

1670
01:05:42,069 --> 01:05:40,480
because

1671
01:05:43,829 --> 01:05:42,079
you know i said you know they can they

1672
01:05:46,710 --> 01:05:43,839
can cite them a lot faster than you can

1673
01:05:49,029 --> 01:05:46,720
explain them and uh you might put a lot

1674
01:05:50,870 --> 01:05:49,039
of time and effort into this and it goes

1675
01:05:52,950 --> 01:05:50,880
nowhere could everybody say well you you

1676
01:05:55,109 --> 01:05:52,960
had an easy case there why did why did

1677
01:05:59,029 --> 01:05:55,119
you take a hard one so he would always

1678
01:06:02,069 --> 01:05:59,039
wait and i would do this also wait until

1679
01:06:04,950 --> 01:06:02,079
the ufo investigators or the ufo

1680
01:06:06,789 --> 01:06:04,960
organizations tell you that uh while

1681
01:06:08,950 --> 01:06:06,799
this case is amazing

1682
01:06:10,870 --> 01:06:08,960
you know wait for mufon or somebody like

1683
01:06:13,750 --> 01:06:10,880
that to tell you that it's amazing and

1684
01:06:15,270 --> 01:06:13,760
then you go and look into it and no

1685
01:06:16,150 --> 01:06:15,280
point in looking at so focus on the

1686
01:06:20,309 --> 01:06:16,160
bigger

1687
01:06:22,309 --> 01:06:20,319
exactly focusing on whatever is a big

1688
01:06:23,750 --> 01:06:22,319
case of the moment what's the biggest

1689
01:06:25,510 --> 01:06:23,760
case at the moment some people are

1690
01:06:27,510 --> 01:06:25,520
saying it's this on the ollie thing

1691
01:06:29,910 --> 01:06:27,520
where you know she's claiming yeah

1692
01:06:32,549 --> 01:06:29,920
aliens in the back i interviewed her and

1693
01:06:34,390 --> 01:06:32,559
that's a whole can of worms yeah i heard

1694
01:06:36,309 --> 01:06:34,400
some of that and i've read some of the

1695
01:06:38,150 --> 01:06:36,319
other stuff she's been saying and

1696
01:06:39,910 --> 01:06:38,160
frankly i don't see why anybody takes

1697
01:06:42,069 --> 01:06:39,920
her seriously because because there's

1698
01:06:44,390 --> 01:06:42,079
nothing new under the sun you know

1699
01:06:46,549 --> 01:06:44,400
you're right there's nothing going on so

1700
01:06:48,950 --> 01:06:46,559
this woman came down and everybody was

1701
01:06:50,710 --> 01:06:48,960
like all right there's an alien base and

1702
01:06:53,029 --> 01:06:50,720
you're right i have to say that i was

1703
01:06:54,870 --> 01:06:53,039
very very skeptical at first but then i

1704
01:06:56,390 --> 01:06:54,880
started doing background checking on her

1705
01:06:58,630 --> 01:06:56,400
and found that her background was at

1706
01:07:00,309 --> 01:06:58,640
least real so i thought that she was

1707
01:07:02,309 --> 01:07:00,319
something of a unicorn in this thing

1708
01:07:03,990 --> 01:07:02,319
because i thought her military thing was

1709
01:07:06,150 --> 01:07:04,000
going to be fake or her employment with

1710
01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:06,160
the dia was going to be fake or her

1711
01:07:09,510 --> 01:07:08,000
employment was going to be fake turns

1712
01:07:11,990 --> 01:07:09,520
out all that's real

1713
01:07:14,470 --> 01:07:12,000
um so i at least said i'll interview her

1714
01:07:15,990 --> 01:07:14,480
and then we found the base or not the

1715
01:07:19,670 --> 01:07:16,000
base i'm sorry

1716
01:07:21,190 --> 01:07:19,680
we found the guy wayne we believe we did

1717
01:07:23,829 --> 01:07:21,200
and the mountain

1718
01:07:26,309 --> 01:07:23,839
and also the guy who visited this coffee

1719
01:07:28,309 --> 01:07:26,319
shop with her so then i went at least

1720
01:07:30,069 --> 01:07:28,319
parts of her story are true let's let's

1721
01:07:31,990 --> 01:07:30,079
talk to her and find out more and

1722
01:07:33,670 --> 01:07:32,000
everybody was talking about it so i i

1723
01:07:35,750 --> 01:07:33,680
have to admit that selfishly i knew it

1724
01:07:37,670 --> 01:07:35,760
would get a lot of views and i said okay

1725
01:07:39,829 --> 01:07:37,680
let's interview her and see if we can

1726
01:07:41,750 --> 01:07:39,839
find out more now yesterday she was just

1727
01:07:43,430 --> 01:07:41,760
on a live stream with me as a guest on

1728
01:07:44,789 --> 01:07:43,440
another girls show

1729
01:07:46,950 --> 01:07:44,799
um

1730
01:07:49,750 --> 01:07:46,960
it's alien girl 111 if anybody wants to

1731
01:07:51,589 --> 01:07:49,760
see it and she said that she went there

1732
01:07:53,829 --> 01:07:51,599
back to the mountain and the guy named

1733
01:07:56,150 --> 01:07:53,839
wayne wouldn't let her on the property

1734
01:07:58,150 --> 01:07:56,160
so now her expedition to show everybody

1735
01:08:01,510 --> 01:07:58,160
the aliens and the proof is postponed

1736
01:08:04,630 --> 01:08:01,520
indefinitely so everybody went like what

1737
01:08:06,390 --> 01:08:04,640
a big letdown right you know oh yeah and

1738
01:08:08,630 --> 01:08:06,400
tomorrow i'm going to be doing a show at

1739
01:08:09,829 --> 01:08:08,640
9 00 p.m eastern time with a whole panel

1740
01:08:11,430 --> 01:08:09,839
and you're welcome if you want to come

1741
01:08:14,390 --> 01:08:11,440
back mr shaffer but we don't want to

1742
01:08:15,670 --> 01:08:14,400
work you too hard in one week you know

1743
01:08:18,789 --> 01:08:15,680
no way but we're going to do a whole

1744
01:08:19,910 --> 01:08:18,799
panel on her tomorrow a panel show and

1745
01:08:21,669 --> 01:08:19,920
we're going to have a television

1746
01:08:24,470 --> 01:08:21,679
producer who apparently talked to this

1747
01:08:26,149 --> 01:08:24,480
wayne flew drones over the site and

1748
01:08:28,789 --> 01:08:26,159
according to him at least

1749
01:08:32,149 --> 01:08:28,799
there's no tunnel there's nothing

1750
01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:32,159
so ryan gordon right yes mr gordon who

1751
01:08:36,229 --> 01:08:34,000
mentioned

1752
01:08:39,990 --> 01:08:36,239
him i was just talking to him a short

1753
01:08:40,950 --> 01:08:40,000
time ago yes uh after he found that the

1754
01:08:43,110 --> 01:08:40,960
uh

1755
01:08:45,749 --> 01:08:43,120
you know i mean this so-called cave or

1756
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:45,759
whatever it doesn't exist in a mountain

1757
01:08:49,269 --> 01:08:48,000
it's like in suburban backyard

1758
01:08:51,590 --> 01:08:49,279
practically

1759
01:08:53,189 --> 01:08:51,600
i mean almost literally angeli says oh

1760
01:08:55,110 --> 01:08:53,199
it's out in the desert somewhere it's in

1761
01:08:56,149 --> 01:08:55,120
a mojave desert i'm thinking yes she's

1762
01:08:57,669 --> 01:08:56,159
going to get

1763
01:09:00,229 --> 01:08:57,679
four-wheel-drive vehicles they're going

1764
01:09:03,269 --> 01:09:00,239
to go driving off to some remote spot

1765
01:09:05,269 --> 01:09:03,279
like a damski or uh george van tassel

1766
01:09:07,349 --> 01:09:05,279
and the integratron there's lots of yeah

1767
01:09:09,349 --> 01:09:07,359
the giant rock right yeah there's a lot

1768
01:09:10,870 --> 01:09:09,359
and giant rock yeah giant rock is not

1769
01:09:12,550 --> 01:09:10,880
too far down the road so i mean there's

1770
01:09:14,390 --> 01:09:12,560
lots of aliens out there in the desert

1771
01:09:16,149 --> 01:09:14,400
if you go looking for and her aliens are

1772
01:09:18,829 --> 01:09:16,159
right there in this guy's backyard i

1773
01:09:21,349 --> 01:09:18,839
mean oh wait a

1774
01:09:23,590 --> 01:09:21,359
minute i want to thank lee guy for kind

1775
01:09:25,910 --> 01:09:23,600
of generous 499 super chat he says i

1776
01:09:27,430 --> 01:09:25,920
feel like the ce5 thing is very similar

1777
01:09:28,950 --> 01:09:27,440
to the geller trick when he convinced

1778
01:09:32,070 --> 01:09:28,960
people he fixed their electronics over

1779
01:09:33,749 --> 01:09:32,080
the airwaves all suggestion yeah very

1780
01:09:35,590 --> 01:09:33,759
well could be and patrick sheen with a

1781
01:09:36,870 --> 01:09:35,600
kind of generous 4.99 super sticker

1782
01:09:38,789 --> 01:09:36,880
thank you guys for your kindness your

1783
01:09:40,309 --> 01:09:38,799
generosity and your support viewer

1784
01:09:43,030 --> 01:09:40,319
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1785
01:09:45,269 --> 01:09:43,040
down there throw some more money at me

1786
01:09:46,630 --> 01:09:45,279
we love it praise the cash friends thank

1787
01:09:48,550 --> 01:09:46,640
you very much for your kindness your

1788
01:09:49,749 --> 01:09:48,560
generosity and your support and people

1789
01:09:51,829 --> 01:09:49,759
can see

1790
01:09:54,229 --> 01:09:51,839
my new background here we're upgrading

1791
01:09:58,149 --> 01:09:54,239
the studio so things don't have to be so

1792
01:10:00,550 --> 01:09:58,159
tight on me you know and uh all of this

1793
01:10:02,550 --> 01:10:00,560
studio upgrades the lighting and the and

1794
01:10:04,709 --> 01:10:02,560
the backdrops all came from the kind and

1795
01:10:06,550 --> 01:10:04,719
generous support of our kind and

1796
01:10:07,990 --> 01:10:06,560
generous benefactor so thank you all

1797
01:10:09,990 --> 01:10:08,000
very much

1798
01:10:11,990 --> 01:10:10,000
yes so you did you when you first heard

1799
01:10:13,910 --> 01:10:12,000
this anjali story did you wonder like

1800
01:10:15,669 --> 01:10:13,920
why is anybody even paying attention to

1801
01:10:17,750 --> 01:10:15,679
this because i did then i realized

1802
01:10:20,709 --> 01:10:17,760
there's nothing new there's nothing new

1803
01:10:23,430 --> 01:10:20,719
for years going on right that's uh i had

1804
01:10:25,030 --> 01:10:23,440
that exact same uh reaction that i'm out

1805
01:10:26,950 --> 01:10:25,040
you know i read what she's saying about

1806
01:10:29,270 --> 01:10:26,960
she's visited by

1807
01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:29,280
beings in her bedroom

1808
01:10:33,189 --> 01:10:30,880
she uh

1809
01:10:36,070 --> 01:10:33,199
you know she sees dead people all the

1810
01:10:37,990 --> 01:10:36,080
time and uh

1811
01:10:40,229 --> 01:10:38,000
and the aliens are here to sort of help

1812
01:10:41,990 --> 01:10:40,239
us to rise to the next level of

1813
01:10:44,070 --> 01:10:42,000
consciousness

1814
01:10:46,790 --> 01:10:44,080
it's the space brothers brothers yeah

1815
01:10:48,709 --> 01:10:46,800
this is just this is classic new hbs

1816
01:10:51,270 --> 01:10:48,719
that's been around for decades there's

1817
01:10:53,189 --> 01:10:51,280
absolutely nothing new in that um i

1818
01:10:55,669 --> 01:10:53,199
think the funniest part of it is she

1819
01:10:57,750 --> 01:10:55,679
says she went to this cave and so on in

1820
01:10:59,830 --> 01:10:57,760
the mountain and she was from there she

1821
01:11:02,070 --> 01:10:59,840
was teleported back

1822
01:11:03,830 --> 01:11:02,080
to wayne's house whatever the guy's name

1823
01:11:05,750 --> 01:11:03,840
is uh to his house

1824
01:11:07,910 --> 01:11:05,760
oh well it has a pretty neat trick you

1825
01:11:09,590 --> 01:11:07,920
know to get teleported somewhere so but

1826
01:11:12,149 --> 01:11:09,600
as soon as you read that you realize

1827
01:11:13,750 --> 01:11:12,159
this this is a made-up story this is not

1828
01:11:16,310 --> 01:11:13,760
anything real

1829
01:11:18,229 --> 01:11:16,320
yeah you know i i will say this though

1830
01:11:21,030 --> 01:11:18,239
having spoken to her personally mr

1831
01:11:23,350 --> 01:11:21,040
schaefer i uh i feel sorry for her

1832
01:11:26,229 --> 01:11:23,360
because she just she

1833
01:11:28,229 --> 01:11:26,239
this and exactly what i kind of

1834
01:11:29,270 --> 01:11:28,239
predicted i said if this doesn't go well

1835
01:11:31,510 --> 01:11:29,280
for her

1836
01:11:32,950 --> 01:11:31,520
it's going to be devastating to her and

1837
01:11:37,189 --> 01:11:32,960
people are

1838
01:11:39,830 --> 01:11:37,199
attacking her very viciously all over

1839
01:11:42,870 --> 01:11:39,840
social media right now for you know live

1840
01:11:43,590 --> 01:11:42,880
being a liar or letting everybody down

1841
01:11:44,790 --> 01:11:43,600
or

1842
01:11:46,870 --> 01:11:44,800
telling everybody she's going to get to

1843
01:11:49,430 --> 01:11:46,880
prove i still feel from a human

1844
01:11:51,990 --> 01:11:49,440
perspective that i feel bad for her

1845
01:11:54,229 --> 01:11:52,000
because it can't be you know i i

1846
01:11:55,990 --> 01:11:54,239
question her judgment for some of the

1847
01:11:57,990 --> 01:11:56,000
things she she's done

1848
01:11:59,750 --> 01:11:58,000
you know my thing was instead of holding

1849
01:12:01,830 --> 01:11:59,760
a press conference why don't you go back

1850
01:12:03,510 --> 01:12:01,840
and get the proof first and then hold

1851
01:12:04,950 --> 01:12:03,520
the press conference and hold the press

1852
01:12:07,350 --> 01:12:04,960
conference instead of making all these

1853
01:12:09,830 --> 01:12:07,360
wild promises and then not delivering

1854
01:12:11,910 --> 01:12:09,840
yeah on your promises you know

1855
01:12:13,990 --> 01:12:11,920
yeah i agree i mean i you know people

1856
01:12:15,189 --> 01:12:14,000
like her i mean she's sincere she's

1857
01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:15,199
deluded

1858
01:12:17,990 --> 01:12:17,040
betty hill was like that i knew betty

1859
01:12:19,669 --> 01:12:18,000
hill

1860
01:12:22,550 --> 01:12:19,679
you know the famous so-called ufo

1861
01:12:25,350 --> 01:12:22,560
abductee of betty and barney hill she

1862
01:12:27,110 --> 01:12:25,360
she was basically a crazy old lady and

1863
01:12:27,990 --> 01:12:27,120
you know but she believed everything she

1864
01:12:29,830 --> 01:12:28,000
said

1865
01:12:31,510 --> 01:12:29,840
and you know i couldn't possibly get

1866
01:12:33,350 --> 01:12:31,520
angry with her or anything like that

1867
01:12:35,430 --> 01:12:33,360
she'd say it's crazy stuff okay i mean

1868
01:12:38,070 --> 01:12:35,440
she that's that's how she is

1869
01:12:42,310 --> 01:12:38,080
but uh and and i suspect we've got the

1870
01:12:43,990 --> 01:12:42,320
very same thing here with angeli and uh

1871
01:12:45,910 --> 01:12:44,000
but you know the people i get you know

1872
01:12:48,310 --> 01:12:45,920
kind of ticked off at are those who make

1873
01:12:51,350 --> 01:12:48,320
up [\h__\h] and say stuff that we know are

1874
01:12:53,750 --> 01:12:51,360
not true and but try to you know use it

1875
01:12:55,510 --> 01:12:53,760
to build

1876
01:12:57,830 --> 01:12:55,520
is it maybe sometimes it's hard to know

1877
01:12:59,110 --> 01:12:57,840
exactly who is sincere and who isn't but

1878
01:13:01,350 --> 01:12:59,120
you know a lot of these people are just

1879
01:13:03,830 --> 01:13:01,360
in it for the money and others are kind

1880
01:13:05,430 --> 01:13:03,840
of sincerely

1881
01:13:07,270 --> 01:13:05,440
yeah i mean uh

1882
01:13:08,950 --> 01:13:07,280
you know it's interesting too i'm glad

1883
01:13:11,830 --> 01:13:08,960
to get to talk to somebody who's a

1884
01:13:13,830 --> 01:13:11,840
veteran at this like you because

1885
01:13:15,990 --> 01:13:13,840
it's like some things never change the

1886
01:13:18,550 --> 01:13:16,000
space brothers narrative never changed

1887
01:13:21,750 --> 01:13:18,560
since the 50s contactees

1888
01:13:24,310 --> 01:13:21,760
and the the profit motive buy my book by

1889
01:13:26,229 --> 01:13:24,320
my course come out to my you know

1890
01:13:28,310 --> 01:13:26,239
conference at big rock we're going to be

1891
01:13:29,590 --> 01:13:28,320
contacting aliens telepathically and

1892
01:13:31,350 --> 01:13:29,600
calling them in

1893
01:13:33,189 --> 01:13:31,360
it's like some of these things never

1894
01:13:35,590 --> 01:13:33,199
change they're like timeless it's just

1895
01:13:37,669 --> 01:13:35,600
new grifters pick up the old riffs and

1896
01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:37,679
run with them yeah and the elements of

1897
01:13:43,030 --> 01:13:39,840
religion run through this

1898
01:13:45,350 --> 01:13:43,040
not through the nightcap and mufon and

1899
01:13:47,110 --> 01:13:45,360
qfos you know the people who try to

1900
01:13:49,189 --> 01:13:47,120
handle ice photos and stuff and are

1901
01:13:52,229 --> 01:13:49,199
convinced of it but rather through the

1902
01:13:54,870 --> 01:13:52,239
anyalies and the new agers and all this

1903
01:13:56,950 --> 01:13:54,880
kind of stuff you know that the it you

1904
01:13:58,790 --> 01:13:56,960
these are religious themes

1905
01:14:01,510 --> 01:13:58,800
and they have to do with human

1906
01:14:04,709 --> 01:14:01,520
frailty and human perfection and you

1907
01:14:07,189 --> 01:14:04,719
know an an afterlife or an improved life

1908
01:14:08,550 --> 01:14:07,199
somehow on the next level

1909
01:14:13,270 --> 01:14:08,560
these are you know these are

1910
01:14:16,950 --> 01:14:15,350
yeah and uh ryan is here and says let's

1911
01:14:19,910 --> 01:14:16,960
not talk about believing things people

1912
01:14:21,430 --> 01:14:19,920
say who use fake names

1913
01:14:24,149 --> 01:14:21,440
yeah i don't know that i blame her for

1914
01:14:26,470 --> 01:14:24,159
that ryan like you know

1915
01:14:29,750 --> 01:14:26,480
she she needed a cooler new age name so

1916
01:14:32,470 --> 01:14:29,760
she changed angelina to anjali yeah that

1917
01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:32,480
she can be that's kind of harmless to me

1918
01:14:36,790 --> 01:14:35,040
but yeah you know i i really am worried

1919
01:14:39,910 --> 01:14:36,800
like because

1920
01:14:41,590 --> 01:14:39,920
i i felt from talking to her before the

1921
01:14:43,830 --> 01:14:41,600
interview briefly and then after the

1922
01:14:45,910 --> 01:14:43,840
interview briefly and in the interview

1923
01:14:47,270 --> 01:14:45,920
that she was somewhat psychologically

1924
01:14:49,910 --> 01:14:47,280
fragile

1925
01:14:53,189 --> 01:14:49,920
and uh i got the same perception and

1926
01:14:54,870 --> 01:14:53,199
this this new situation with being you

1927
01:14:56,470 --> 01:14:54,880
know she's supposed to be on this

1928
01:14:58,229 --> 01:14:56,480
mission to bring everybody the truth

1929
01:15:00,070 --> 01:14:58,239
about aliens and she made a lot of big

1930
01:15:02,470 --> 01:15:00,080
promises and now it's all coming

1931
01:15:04,630 --> 01:15:02,480
crashing down because i don't know a way

1932
01:15:07,510 --> 01:15:04,640
that she she can't legally go on the

1933
01:15:09,510 --> 01:15:07,520
guy's property at all if he says no so

1934
01:15:11,910 --> 01:15:09,520
what is she going to do now

1935
01:15:13,910 --> 01:15:11,920
you know people are already theorizing

1936
01:15:15,669 --> 01:15:13,920
and some of her huge supporters and

1937
01:15:17,510 --> 01:15:15,679
believers are trying to spin this that

1938
01:15:19,510 --> 01:15:17,520
it's a good thing because now the aliens

1939
01:15:21,669 --> 01:15:19,520
will have to come directly to her and

1940
01:15:23,910 --> 01:15:21,679
that's another thing if she talks to the

1941
01:15:25,990 --> 01:15:23,920
aliens every day i don't understand why

1942
01:15:27,110 --> 01:15:26,000
she needs the mountain at all if wayne

1943
01:15:28,950 --> 01:15:27,120
says no

1944
01:15:30,470 --> 01:15:28,960
why doesn't she say okay well meet me

1945
01:15:32,709 --> 01:15:30,480
down the corner from wayne's at this

1946
01:15:35,270 --> 01:15:32,719
public park and i'll do the

1947
01:15:37,590 --> 01:15:35,280
the proof part you know i just a lot of

1948
01:15:39,990 --> 01:15:37,600
this doesn't make any sense and

1949
01:15:41,590 --> 01:15:40,000
you know what we also get yesterday

1950
01:15:43,590 --> 01:15:41,600
which i was kind of disappointed about

1951
01:15:45,669 --> 01:15:43,600
but it's human nature a whole bunch of

1952
01:15:47,830 --> 01:15:45,679
guys came out and did like a victory lap

1953
01:15:50,229 --> 01:15:47,840
like see i told you she wasn't going to

1954
01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:50,239
give us the proof about the aliens like

1955
01:15:53,270 --> 01:15:51,120
they were

1956
01:15:56,070 --> 01:15:53,280
they had some amazing insight that

1957
01:15:57,590 --> 01:15:56,080
nobody else had like 99 of the people

1958
01:16:00,390 --> 01:15:57,600
kind of knew that she wasn't going to

1959
01:16:01,830 --> 01:16:00,400
bring yeah i put that on my uh yeah i

1960
01:16:03,350 --> 01:16:01,840
said that in several comments to

1961
01:16:05,430 --> 01:16:03,360
different people this is not going to

1962
01:16:06,390 --> 01:16:05,440
happen this is something it's this

1963
01:16:09,270 --> 01:16:06,400
expedition

1964
01:16:11,510 --> 01:16:09,280
is simply not going to happen

1965
01:16:12,950 --> 01:16:11,520
oh author from melbourne okay yeah i

1966
01:16:14,790 --> 01:16:12,960
think i know who you mean and you know

1967
01:16:16,950 --> 01:16:14,800
i'm sorry that you guys are in some kind

1968
01:16:19,189 --> 01:16:16,960
of tiff but i'm trying to remain neutral

1969
01:16:21,189 --> 01:16:19,199
because i like both those people

1970
01:16:23,669 --> 01:16:21,199
uh both brian and the person he's

1971
01:16:26,070 --> 01:16:23,679
talking about you know i consider good

1972
01:16:28,790 --> 01:16:26,080
researchers and you know so i gotta walk

1973
01:16:31,270 --> 01:16:28,800
a tightrope balancing act here there you

1974
01:16:33,910 --> 01:16:31,280
go and uh yeah it's it's and they're

1975
01:16:35,590 --> 01:16:33,920
both listening to this show right yes

1976
01:16:37,990 --> 01:16:35,600
and you know people kind of be very

1977
01:16:39,910 --> 01:16:38,000
passionate in this thing man people are

1978
01:16:41,830 --> 01:16:39,920
you know very passionate about their

1979
01:16:43,910 --> 01:16:41,840
beliefs and

1980
01:16:44,630 --> 01:16:43,920
it is what it is right

1981
01:16:46,229 --> 01:16:44,640
so

1982
01:16:48,390 --> 01:16:46,239
what have you been doing lately since

1983
01:16:50,630 --> 01:16:48,400
you left writing for this

1984
01:16:51,910 --> 01:16:50,640
skeptical inquiry magazine and all that

1985
01:16:54,310 --> 01:16:51,920
stuff you said you left basically

1986
01:16:56,950 --> 01:16:54,320
because of politics and nonsense right

1987
01:16:59,030 --> 01:16:56,960
yeah the other they're no longer really

1988
01:17:03,510 --> 01:16:59,040
a skeptical organization they're more of

1989
01:17:06,070 --> 01:17:03,520
a politically oriented organization

1990
01:17:08,149 --> 01:17:06,080
wow what i've been doing is uh well

1991
01:17:09,270 --> 01:17:08,159
basically my own stuff basically i've

1992
01:17:12,550 --> 01:17:09,280
what i've been doing is i've been

1993
01:17:13,990 --> 01:17:12,560
writing about on the blog and uh so you

1994
01:17:16,390 --> 01:17:14,000
know a lot of it having to do with

1995
01:17:19,350 --> 01:17:16,400
travis walton having to do with to the

1996
01:17:22,149 --> 01:17:19,360
stars and all this nonsense

1997
01:17:25,910 --> 01:17:23,830
it's a great it's it's somewhat of a

1998
01:17:27,910 --> 01:17:25,920
circus isn't it it's like a circus this

1999
01:17:29,030 --> 01:17:27,920
thing yeah it's circus and lots of

2000
01:17:31,270 --> 01:17:29,040
clowns

2001
01:17:34,950 --> 01:17:31,280
step right up right i'm one of those

2002
01:17:37,510 --> 01:17:34,960
clowns yeah i'm one of those clowns

2003
01:17:39,590 --> 01:17:37,520
or one fellow said he came to ufology

2004
01:17:43,270 --> 01:17:39,600
for the promise of aliens

2005
01:17:45,910 --> 01:17:43,280
uh but he stayed for the clown show

2006
01:17:47,350 --> 01:17:45,920
yeah yeah people people were some people

2007
01:17:49,830 --> 01:17:47,360
were calling me a clown because i did

2008
01:17:50,870 --> 01:17:49,840
these masks of the common characters you

2009
01:17:53,030 --> 01:17:50,880
know oh

2010
01:17:55,350 --> 01:17:53,040
i'm so and i did and i sat there like i

2011
01:17:58,149 --> 01:17:55,360
was them and said stuff like send me the

2012
01:18:00,070 --> 01:17:58,159
money i want the money you know but it

2013
01:18:01,510 --> 01:18:00,080
is it's like a bit it's like a circus

2014
01:18:03,590 --> 01:18:01,520
it's like and

2015
01:18:05,910 --> 01:18:03,600
and it's got the carnival barkers like

2016
01:18:08,070 --> 01:18:05,920
come right on into this conference

2017
01:18:09,990 --> 01:18:08,080
we're this is a disclosure conference

2018
01:18:13,110 --> 01:18:10,000
we're going to disclose the truth about

2019
01:18:15,910 --> 01:18:13,120
aliens it's only 300 to come to our

2020
01:18:17,750 --> 01:18:15,920
online conference and like come on you

2021
01:18:20,149 --> 01:18:17,760
know it's like the guy that stands

2022
01:18:22,470 --> 01:18:20,159
outside the nudie bar you know step

2023
01:18:24,790 --> 01:18:22,480
right up live new girls but in this case

2024
01:18:26,390 --> 01:18:24,800
it's like aliens and disclosure come on

2025
01:18:29,910 --> 01:18:26,400
in you know

2026
01:18:31,189 --> 01:18:29,920
this is exactly sometimes

2027
01:18:32,950 --> 01:18:31,199
sometimes you can't do anything but

2028
01:18:34,470 --> 01:18:32,960
laugh at this stuff right that's how i

2029
01:18:35,830 --> 01:18:34,480
feel about it like

2030
01:18:38,149 --> 01:18:35,840
well gotta blow off this pretty

2031
01:18:39,990 --> 01:18:38,159
entertaining yeah i agree i still have a

2032
01:18:41,910 --> 01:18:40,000
genuine interest in this though and i

2033
01:18:44,390 --> 01:18:41,920
think there may be something to some of

2034
01:18:46,149 --> 01:18:44,400
these stories and cases but

2035
01:18:48,470 --> 01:18:46,159
the amount of garbage that you have to

2036
01:18:50,390 --> 01:18:48,480
go through to get to one good case with

2037
01:18:55,910 --> 01:18:50,400
some meat on the bones is is

2038
01:18:58,470 --> 01:18:56,950
yeah so

2039
01:19:00,470 --> 01:18:58,480
so you're just writing your blog and

2040
01:19:02,070 --> 01:19:00,480
stuff like that you know i hope that you

2041
01:19:04,310 --> 01:19:02,080
will be good with coming back and being

2042
01:19:05,510 --> 01:19:04,320
a contributor here because we could use

2043
01:19:07,990 --> 01:19:05,520
somebody of your knowledge and

2044
01:19:09,750 --> 01:19:08,000
experience and expertise and a different

2045
01:19:12,709 --> 01:19:09,760
perspective on some of the things that

2046
01:19:14,149 --> 01:19:12,719
i'm already looking into like anjali and

2047
01:19:15,270 --> 01:19:14,159
some of the other cases that we're

2048
01:19:17,030 --> 01:19:15,280
following

2049
01:19:19,030 --> 01:19:17,040
we're doing a uh

2050
01:19:22,310 --> 01:19:19,040
we're doing a deep dive on these wilson

2051
01:19:24,790 --> 01:19:22,320
documents and so far what i can tell you

2052
01:19:27,110 --> 01:19:24,800
is that richard dolan is relying on

2053
01:19:29,189 --> 01:19:27,120
something like eight or twelve

2054
01:19:30,870 --> 01:19:29,199
anonymous sources

2055
01:19:32,390 --> 01:19:30,880
you know there's an anonymous source

2056
01:19:33,830 --> 01:19:32,400
that got the documents from edgar

2057
01:19:35,350 --> 01:19:33,840
mitchell's estate there's another

2058
01:19:36,709 --> 01:19:35,360
anonymous source that was leaked

2059
01:19:37,830 --> 01:19:36,719
documents and leaked them to the

2060
01:19:39,350 --> 01:19:37,840
internet

2061
01:19:41,189 --> 01:19:39,360
you know there's another anonymous

2062
01:19:42,390 --> 01:19:41,199
source that richard dolan knows that

2063
01:19:45,350 --> 01:19:42,400
said that

2064
01:19:48,149 --> 01:19:45,360
this wilson was asking around about

2065
01:19:50,149 --> 01:19:48,159
the alien projects right and you just

2066
01:19:51,750 --> 01:19:50,159
have to believe him on all these

2067
01:19:53,590 --> 01:19:51,760
anonymous sources to believe these

2068
01:19:55,189 --> 01:19:53,600
wilson documents and

2069
01:19:57,030 --> 01:19:55,199
i don't know how people can believe that

2070
01:19:58,790 --> 01:19:57,040
many anonymous sources from a guy who's

2071
01:20:00,870 --> 01:19:58,800
been caught using a completely totally

2072
01:20:04,310 --> 01:20:00,880
fake made-up anonymous source

2073
01:20:06,149 --> 01:20:04,320
at least once you know

2074
01:20:07,270 --> 01:20:06,159
yeah i don't remember which example that

2075
01:20:11,350 --> 01:20:07,280
was

2076
01:20:14,550 --> 01:20:11,360
actually interviewed a guy who had died

2077
01:20:16,790 --> 01:20:14,560
in 2008 in 2014

2078
01:20:19,590 --> 01:20:16,800
oh that well

2079
01:20:21,910 --> 01:20:19,600
all you need is a is a is a medium or a

2080
01:20:24,550 --> 01:20:21,920
psychic that's not a problem no he

2081
01:20:26,390 --> 01:20:24,560
interviewed a real guy in 2014 but the

2082
01:20:29,510 --> 01:20:26,400
problem is that linda mullen hal

2083
01:20:31,430 --> 01:20:29,520
reported that that guy died in 2008.

2084
01:20:34,070 --> 01:20:31,440
so i'd like to know how richard dolan

2085
01:20:36,550 --> 01:20:34,080
interviewed a dead man in 2014

2086
01:20:38,470 --> 01:20:36,560
to sell that story that was fake

2087
01:20:40,310 --> 01:20:38,480
it doesn't make any sense

2088
01:20:44,790 --> 01:20:40,320
yeah there's so many of these

2089
01:20:46,709 --> 01:20:44,800
bs uh you know deathbed confessions or

2090
01:20:49,590 --> 01:20:46,719
other things or they interview somebody

2091
01:20:51,590 --> 01:20:49,600
who's uh half dead and he says you know

2092
01:20:53,990 --> 01:20:51,600
to say something that's absurd and you

2093
01:20:56,470 --> 01:20:54,000
know it's not uh

2094
01:20:59,750 --> 01:20:56,480
yeah i wanna i i was gonna ask you did

2095
01:21:01,669 --> 01:20:59,760
you ever do any coverage of bob lazar

2096
01:21:03,590 --> 01:21:01,679
because you know that one comes back

2097
01:21:06,470 --> 01:21:03,600
around now because oh yeah

2098
01:21:09,590 --> 01:21:06,480
well i uh i mean i've never

2099
01:21:11,750 --> 01:21:09,600
met him or or done at first uh my own

2100
01:21:15,430 --> 01:21:11,760
investigation oh no you found something

2101
01:21:17,910 --> 01:21:15,440
that i also found i dug around uh on a

2102
01:21:20,470 --> 01:21:17,920
bunch of stuff to the stars covertly

2103
01:21:21,669 --> 01:21:20,480
publishes bob lazar's book and buys meta

2104
01:21:23,830 --> 01:21:21,679
materials

2105
01:21:26,950 --> 01:21:23,840
from tom delong

2106
01:21:30,470 --> 01:21:26,960
great right the the uh

2107
01:21:33,669 --> 01:21:30,480
bob lazar book was published by to the

2108
01:21:35,590 --> 01:21:33,679
stars um and then they realized that

2109
01:21:36,950 --> 01:21:35,600
they shouldn't let people know that and

2110
01:21:39,510 --> 01:21:36,960
then they kind of took down the page

2111
01:21:41,590 --> 01:21:39,520
that said that but if you look at the

2112
01:21:44,149 --> 01:21:41,600
the traces there the evidence that it

2113
01:21:46,390 --> 01:21:44,159
shows that you know tom delong's sister

2114
01:21:48,229 --> 01:21:46,400
tom delong who's behind us

2115
01:21:50,229 --> 01:21:48,239
tom delong's sister registered the

2116
01:21:51,990 --> 01:21:50,239
website for the brand new publisher that

2117
01:21:54,629 --> 01:21:52,000
never published any book before bob

2118
01:21:56,790 --> 01:21:54,639
lazar's right and they got caught

2119
01:21:58,950 --> 01:21:56,800
selling the book and interestingly

2120
01:21:59,750 --> 01:21:58,960
i don't know if you know this but uh

2121
01:22:00,870 --> 01:21:59,760
uh

2122
01:22:03,430 --> 01:22:00,880
at least

2123
01:22:05,270 --> 01:22:03,440
i believe gene huff and john lear both

2124
01:22:07,830 --> 01:22:05,280
said that that book was not written by

2125
01:22:10,470 --> 01:22:07,840
bob lazar because it got way too many

2126
01:22:13,350 --> 01:22:10,480
details wrong and they both believe that

2127
01:22:15,270 --> 01:22:13,360
it was written by a ghostwriter

2128
01:22:16,390 --> 01:22:15,280
well does uh lazar

2129
01:22:18,950 --> 01:22:16,400
has he

2130
01:22:21,510 --> 01:22:18,960
accepted authorship or he's not claiming

2131
01:22:22,950 --> 01:22:21,520
uh he is claiming authorship yeah and so

2132
01:22:25,430 --> 01:22:22,960
well then

2133
01:22:27,590 --> 01:22:25,440
must agree with with the bs that it says

2134
01:22:30,070 --> 01:22:27,600
and if it contradicts his previous bs

2135
01:22:31,669 --> 01:22:30,080
well so much the worse yes and you're

2136
01:22:33,270 --> 01:22:31,679
covering here

2137
01:22:35,510 --> 01:22:33,280
these arts parts

2138
01:22:38,629 --> 01:22:35,520
these arts which were completely totally

2139
01:22:40,390 --> 01:22:38,639
be debunked already yes that's an

2140
01:22:42,709 --> 01:22:40,400
interesting story linda mullen hale

2141
01:22:44,870 --> 01:22:42,719
hires a scientist to

2142
01:22:46,550 --> 01:22:44,880
analyze the material he comes back to

2143
01:22:48,149 --> 01:22:46,560
her with a whole report that says this

2144
01:22:50,470 --> 01:22:48,159
is just regular earthly materials

2145
01:22:54,310 --> 01:22:50,480
there's nothing there's nothing to this

2146
01:22:59,110 --> 01:22:56,950
so then she fires that scientist and

2147
01:23:01,830 --> 01:22:59,120
gets a new guy who will say that they

2148
01:23:03,830 --> 01:23:01,840
have strange properties then she sells

2149
01:23:06,149 --> 01:23:03,840
these materials to tom delong for 30

2150
01:23:07,590 --> 01:23:06,159
thousand dollars who then sells these

2151
01:23:09,430 --> 01:23:07,600
materials

2152
01:23:11,910 --> 01:23:09,440
tom delong is running a disclosure

2153
01:23:14,229 --> 01:23:11,920
organization what does he do when he

2154
01:23:16,790 --> 01:23:14,239
thinks he might have absolute proof of

2155
01:23:18,470 --> 01:23:16,800
alien visitation at earth he takes those

2156
01:23:20,629 --> 01:23:18,480
materials and he sells them to the

2157
01:23:22,790 --> 01:23:20,639
united states army who's never going to

2158
01:23:25,110 --> 01:23:22,800
tell us anything about it right it makes

2159
01:23:26,870 --> 01:23:25,120
no sense well actually i'm not sure

2160
01:23:28,950 --> 01:23:26,880
that's quite true because they they sign

2161
01:23:31,030 --> 01:23:28,960
what they call a crater or something

2162
01:23:32,550 --> 01:23:31,040
which is a supposedly it's a it's an

2163
01:23:35,669 --> 01:23:32,560
agreement to share

2164
01:23:37,990 --> 01:23:35,679
testing resources and results and in

2165
01:23:39,510 --> 01:23:38,000
theory if the army does

2166
01:23:42,310 --> 01:23:39,520
that study

2167
01:23:44,070 --> 01:23:42,320
does study that they are obligated to

2168
01:23:45,990 --> 01:23:44,080
um

2169
01:23:49,910 --> 01:23:46,000
share the result

2170
01:23:52,070 --> 01:23:49,920
because uh they don't have um

2171
01:23:53,990 --> 01:23:52,080
i'm i'm not aware that the army did

2172
01:23:56,229 --> 01:23:54,000
actually analyze anything i think they

2173
01:23:58,550 --> 01:23:56,239
signed this agreement that they would

2174
01:24:02,070 --> 01:23:58,560
share materials but i'm not aware that

2175
01:24:05,110 --> 01:24:02,080
they ever actually did so

2176
01:24:07,510 --> 01:24:05,120
yes and that was a whole other uh

2177
01:24:10,070 --> 01:24:07,520
sort of uh publicity thing for tom

2178
01:24:12,149 --> 01:24:10,080
delong and lou elizondo that this adam

2179
01:24:13,510 --> 01:24:12,159
research project that they had a vault

2180
01:24:16,149 --> 01:24:13,520
somewhere

2181
01:24:17,590 --> 01:24:16,159
right with all these alien materials in

2182
01:24:19,189 --> 01:24:17,600
it and bigelow

2183
01:24:21,669 --> 01:24:19,199
bought a warehouse somewhere in las

2184
01:24:23,350 --> 01:24:21,679
vegas to to house all the alien

2185
01:24:25,350 --> 01:24:23,360
materials and when you say

2186
01:24:27,270 --> 01:24:25,360
we need a warehouse that sort of implies

2187
01:24:28,830 --> 01:24:27,280
that you have a lot of material why

2188
01:24:31,590 --> 01:24:28,840
would you need a warehouse

2189
01:24:33,910 --> 01:24:31,600
yeah we've been speculating about that

2190
01:24:35,830 --> 01:24:33,920
for years because you know how when like

2191
01:24:38,229 --> 01:24:35,840
when an airplane crashes and they get

2192
01:24:40,550 --> 01:24:38,239
they reassemble the plane in a very huge

2193
01:24:43,350 --> 01:24:40,560
hangar to try to see what they can learn

2194
01:24:46,470 --> 01:24:43,360
about how it crashed and why it crashed

2195
01:24:48,790 --> 01:24:46,480
and i i imagine a bigelow and his people

2196
01:24:50,310 --> 01:24:48,800
and eric davis and who i'm put off and

2197
01:24:52,149 --> 01:24:50,320
whoever the hell else is involved in

2198
01:24:54,149 --> 01:24:52,159
this i imagine them in a thing like that

2199
01:24:56,070 --> 01:24:54,159
and they're taking the pieces of the

2200
01:24:57,750 --> 01:24:56,080
saucer crash and putting them together

2201
01:24:59,430 --> 01:24:57,760
trying to reassemble the saucer and of

2202
01:25:01,910 --> 01:24:59,440
course that's not happening

2203
01:25:03,750 --> 01:25:01,920
so now it appears to me making parts to

2204
01:25:06,470 --> 01:25:03,760
the size of a quarter or something i

2205
01:25:09,910 --> 01:25:06,480
mean yeah they could house all they have

2206
01:25:11,110 --> 01:25:09,920
in like a bank you know a bank a drawer

2207
01:25:15,189 --> 01:25:11,120
yeah

2208
01:25:17,030 --> 01:25:15,199
it doesn't make any sense it's just this

2209
01:25:18,550 --> 01:25:17,040
is again this with this hype and the

2210
01:25:20,470 --> 01:25:18,560
nonsense right

2211
01:25:22,870 --> 01:25:20,480
so well that was supposed to be the

2212
01:25:24,550 --> 01:25:22,880
explanation for the 22 million dollars

2213
01:25:27,430 --> 01:25:24,560
if you go back to the very first new

2214
01:25:29,030 --> 01:25:27,440
york times story with leslie kane and

2215
01:25:30,070 --> 01:25:29,040
ralph blumenthal

2216
01:25:33,430 --> 01:25:30,080
um

2217
01:25:35,830 --> 01:25:33,440
the claim was made that that the budget

2218
01:25:37,510 --> 01:25:35,840
was partly for whatever research or

2219
01:25:39,910 --> 01:25:37,520
something and partly to

2220
01:25:41,590 --> 01:25:39,920
modify buildings in las vegas so that

2221
01:25:44,149 --> 01:25:41,600
bigelow can store

2222
01:25:46,550 --> 01:25:44,159
metal materials or something in them and

2223
01:25:48,470 --> 01:25:46,560
of course none of that

2224
01:25:50,470 --> 01:25:48,480
happened where what happened with our 22

2225
01:25:52,870 --> 01:25:50,480
million did we see the warehouse nobody

2226
01:25:54,310 --> 01:25:52,880
ever did yeah no i think somebody did

2227
01:25:55,669 --> 01:25:54,320
find their warehouse and it's just a

2228
01:25:59,350 --> 01:25:55,679
warehouse and basically nothing has

2229
01:26:01,510 --> 01:25:59,360
happened to it and it's just nothing

2230
01:26:04,550 --> 01:26:01,520
maybe they had the the arts parts and

2231
01:26:07,270 --> 01:26:04,560
the alien you know parts at the hot dog

2232
01:26:09,189 --> 01:26:07,280
stand mister yeah that's possible but

2233
01:26:10,629 --> 01:26:09,199
the interesting thing is i'm trying to

2234
01:26:13,669 --> 01:26:10,639
i've never found any proof that there

2235
01:26:15,270 --> 01:26:13,679
was ever actually a hot dog stand i i

2236
01:26:18,390 --> 01:26:15,280
don't think that was real i think it was

2237
01:26:20,830 --> 01:26:18,400
a joke tom delonge put in and because he

2238
01:26:23,270 --> 01:26:20,840
seemed to put several jokes into his

2239
01:26:25,990 --> 01:26:23,280
filings you know that's business filings

2240
01:26:27,669 --> 01:26:26,000
so that's it it's not clear what is to

2241
01:26:29,270 --> 01:26:27,679
be taken seriously

2242
01:26:31,350 --> 01:26:29,280
if any of it

2243
01:26:33,430 --> 01:26:31,360
it's crazy and so somebody asked me

2244
01:26:36,070 --> 01:26:33,440
earlier and i always like to ask

2245
01:26:37,910 --> 01:26:36,080
especially the very skeptical guys is

2246
01:26:40,310 --> 01:26:37,920
there any cases

2247
01:26:43,830 --> 01:26:40,320
the ufo cases that you think were

2248
01:26:44,950 --> 01:26:43,840
genuine ufos or mysteries

2249
01:26:46,870 --> 01:26:44,960
or

2250
01:26:49,590 --> 01:26:46,880
actually aliens

2251
01:26:52,390 --> 01:26:49,600
in all of your research

2252
01:26:54,629 --> 01:26:52,400
well as far as so-called actual aliens

2253
01:26:56,149 --> 01:26:54,639
certainly not there are some cases that

2254
01:26:57,830 --> 01:26:56,159
are just kind of puzzling because it's a

2255
01:27:01,990 --> 01:26:57,840
little hard to get enough information to

2256
01:27:05,030 --> 01:27:02,000
know if you really have a full um

2257
01:27:06,550 --> 01:27:05,040
understanding of what's happening but uh

2258
01:27:08,070 --> 01:27:06,560
no there's there's none of them that

2259
01:27:10,709 --> 01:27:08,080
make me think

2260
01:27:14,470 --> 01:27:10,719
maybe there really are aliens out there

2261
01:27:17,030 --> 01:27:14,480
and uh so and if there were such a case

2262
01:27:19,350 --> 01:27:17,040
that i found that i was sure was a crash

2263
01:27:21,350 --> 01:27:19,360
saucer or some kind of something that

2264
01:27:24,149 --> 01:27:21,360
couldn't be explained except in terms of

2265
01:27:26,470 --> 01:27:24,159
a really uh advanced technology i'd be

2266
01:27:34,870 --> 01:27:26,480
the first to publicize it you know to

2267
01:27:38,149 --> 01:27:36,550
you know get all the book deals and all

2268
01:27:40,709 --> 01:27:38,159
that stuff and he'd be making movies

2269
01:27:42,950 --> 01:27:40,719
about me and whatever but no but i don't

2270
01:27:45,030 --> 01:27:42,960
think that's going to happen and

2271
01:27:46,629 --> 01:27:45,040
you know i've been an amateur astronomer

2272
01:27:51,189 --> 01:27:46,639
most of my life

2273
01:27:51,990 --> 01:27:51,199
and uh in fact uh many times heinek

2274
01:27:54,390 --> 01:27:52,000
took

2275
01:27:56,070 --> 01:27:54,400
us the students up into the dome of

2276
01:27:58,550 --> 01:27:56,080
dearborn observatory

2277
01:28:01,510 --> 01:27:58,560
part of the classes was to learn how to

2278
01:28:03,830 --> 01:28:01,520
use the large telescopes and how to do

2279
01:28:06,070 --> 01:28:03,840
photography in those days there was no

2280
01:28:08,229 --> 01:28:06,080
there was no uh electronic you know

2281
01:28:10,229 --> 01:28:08,239
digital photography it was all you know

2282
01:28:12,709 --> 01:28:10,239
it was all film he

2283
01:28:14,950 --> 01:28:12,719
he taught us how to use this and how to

2284
01:28:17,830 --> 01:28:14,960
do this and we had you know projects

2285
01:28:19,430 --> 01:28:17,840
photographing things and so on so i mean

2286
01:28:20,950 --> 01:28:19,440
i have a pretty good understanding of

2287
01:28:23,510 --> 01:28:20,960
you know what's up there and what see

2288
01:28:29,189 --> 01:28:23,520
and what you'll find and when you take

2289
01:28:33,030 --> 01:28:30,550
there's a lot of things people could be

2290
01:28:34,470 --> 01:28:33,040
fooled by if they don't understand

2291
01:28:36,310 --> 01:28:34,480
yeah we're going to take some comments

2292
01:28:38,070 --> 01:28:36,320
and questions from the live chat for you

2293
01:28:40,390 --> 01:28:38,080
if you don't mind people are very

2294
01:28:42,550 --> 01:28:40,400
curious and and you don't make a lot of

2295
01:28:43,590 --> 01:28:42,560
appearances on shows like this so where

2296
01:28:45,590 --> 01:28:43,600
i don't know

2297
01:28:47,430 --> 01:28:45,600
make about as many as i've been asked to

2298
01:28:49,350 --> 01:28:47,440
lately but

2299
01:28:52,390 --> 01:28:49,360
well i got about 10 shows that would

2300
01:28:54,470 --> 01:28:52,400
that would love that i'd love that

2301
01:28:56,390 --> 01:28:54,480
i know a lot of shows that would love to

2302
01:28:58,550 --> 01:28:56,400
have you absolutely yeah i've been on

2303
01:28:59,910 --> 01:28:58,560
erica loops a couple times and a few

2304
01:29:01,990 --> 01:28:59,920
others here yeah she's great we've had

2305
01:29:04,390 --> 01:29:02,000
her here as well she's great

2306
01:29:05,990 --> 01:29:04,400
great girl uh so patrick sheehan is

2307
01:29:07,510 --> 01:29:06,000
asking what is your opinion of jack's

2308
01:29:14,310 --> 01:29:07,520
valet

2309
01:29:17,189 --> 01:29:14,320
or what i guess right uh no he's not a

2310
01:29:19,590 --> 01:29:17,199
scammer and he's not uh an intel i'm

2311
01:29:22,709 --> 01:29:19,600
quite sure he's not an intel he's just a

2312
01:29:24,709 --> 01:29:22,719
guy who believes a lot of good stuff if

2313
01:29:26,390 --> 01:29:24,719
you read his um

2314
01:29:27,990 --> 01:29:26,400
what does he call it the forbidden

2315
01:29:28,870 --> 01:29:28,000
science he has like

2316
01:29:32,470 --> 01:29:28,880
four

2317
01:29:35,750 --> 01:29:32,480
uh volumes i think of uh of essentially

2318
01:29:38,310 --> 01:29:35,760
it's his diary it's his his life story

2319
01:29:40,310 --> 01:29:38,320
um and talks about all the people he

2320
01:29:41,990 --> 01:29:40,320
meets and talks about heineken talks

2321
01:29:43,990 --> 01:29:42,000
about you know pretty much all the

2322
01:29:48,229 --> 01:29:44,000
people who are you know were involved in

2323
01:29:51,590 --> 01:29:48,239
ufology you fooligy uh at the time and

2324
01:29:53,590 --> 01:29:51,600
uh it's a very uh a very worthwhile read

2325
01:29:54,870 --> 01:29:53,600
he's he's quite sincere but you know

2326
01:29:56,149 --> 01:29:54,880
he's he's one of these guys like

2327
01:29:57,189 --> 01:29:56,159
heineken in fact

2328
01:29:58,709 --> 01:29:57,199
actually

2329
01:30:01,669 --> 01:29:58,719
if you want my opinion he's more

2330
01:30:03,830 --> 01:30:01,679
gullible than heineken uh he was pulling

2331
01:30:05,430 --> 01:30:03,840
heineck in the direction of gullibility

2332
01:30:08,149 --> 01:30:05,440
heinick may have been resisting a little

2333
01:30:10,629 --> 01:30:08,159
bit but you know volley i mean now

2334
01:30:12,390 --> 01:30:10,639
people are talking about space ghosts

2335
01:30:15,030 --> 01:30:12,400
uh that you know these

2336
01:30:16,870 --> 01:30:15,040
people like valley and uh and put off

2337
01:30:18,709 --> 01:30:16,880
and so on are supposedly looking for and

2338
01:30:21,590 --> 01:30:18,719
there's well it's maybe a bit of an

2339
01:30:23,430 --> 01:30:21,600
exaggeration but not too far from it

2340
01:30:25,430 --> 01:30:23,440
it's not he's not looking for nuts and

2341
01:30:27,270 --> 01:30:25,440
bolts stuff he's looking well of course

2342
01:30:30,709 --> 01:30:27,280
now maybe he is with this latest book

2343
01:30:32,550 --> 01:30:30,719
about the so-called saucer crash in 45

2344
01:30:34,629 --> 01:30:32,560
but generally he's looking you know it's

2345
01:30:35,910 --> 01:30:34,639
all paranormal and stuff read some of

2346
01:30:37,910 --> 01:30:35,920
these books oh there was a there's a

2347
01:30:39,590 --> 01:30:37,920
book called the invisible college and i

2348
01:30:41,590 --> 01:30:39,600
think i have a little bit of information

2349
01:30:43,750 --> 01:30:41,600
about it on my blog it's written by

2350
01:30:45,669 --> 01:30:43,760
heinek and by ballet you know i think

2351
01:30:49,430 --> 01:30:45,679
i'm following you as a principal author

2352
01:30:51,350 --> 01:30:49,440
uh and uh it's filled with nonsense you

2353
01:30:53,590 --> 01:30:51,360
just used you i mean if you read it

2354
01:30:55,430 --> 01:30:53,600
jesus oh my god this could you know

2355
01:30:58,070 --> 01:30:55,440
he's his you know

2356
01:30:59,590 --> 01:30:58,080
ghost is not a a bad description of you

2357
01:31:01,669 --> 01:30:59,600
know what he's what he's

2358
01:31:04,070 --> 01:31:01,679
talking about he's talking about fairies

2359
01:31:06,070 --> 01:31:04,080
and such that they might be you know

2360
01:31:07,830 --> 01:31:06,080
apparitions of aliens or something or

2361
01:31:08,870 --> 01:31:07,840
whatever the aliens are the fairies were

2362
01:31:11,110 --> 01:31:08,880
the same

2363
01:31:13,830 --> 01:31:11,120
you know and and that goes back to what

2364
01:31:15,510 --> 01:31:13,840
the passport to magonia he says and

2365
01:31:18,070 --> 01:31:15,520
you know he's saying

2366
01:31:19,030 --> 01:31:18,080
no he's a very sincere guy but i i think

2367
01:31:25,750 --> 01:31:19,040
he's

2368
01:31:27,590 --> 01:31:25,760
that the universe that we see around us

2369
01:31:31,189 --> 01:31:27,600
isn't really what's around us and that

2370
01:31:33,189 --> 01:31:31,199
there's some ultimate reality that's

2371
01:31:35,110 --> 01:31:33,199
still eluding us then one of these days

2372
01:31:37,750 --> 01:31:35,120
we'll find it

2373
01:31:39,830 --> 01:31:37,760
well yeah and i also found suspect he's

2374
01:31:41,590 --> 01:31:39,840
been touting these materials that he's

2375
01:31:43,990 --> 01:31:41,600
claimed to be studying

2376
01:31:46,470 --> 01:31:44,000
and and he always says uh pretty out

2377
01:31:48,070 --> 01:31:46,480
there things like the isotopic ratios

2378
01:31:50,149 --> 01:31:48,080
prove that they weren't made on earth

2379
01:31:52,629 --> 01:31:50,159
and all of these things but we never get

2380
01:31:55,430 --> 01:31:52,639
to the scientific paper or the proof of

2381
01:31:57,430 --> 01:31:55,440
his of his claims about those materials

2382
01:31:58,629 --> 01:31:57,440
though he's been saying that for years i

2383
01:32:00,149 --> 01:31:58,639
i don't know

2384
01:32:02,149 --> 01:32:00,159
but then somebody told me it was in one

2385
01:32:05,350 --> 01:32:02,159
of his books some of the proofs so maybe

2386
01:32:07,350 --> 01:32:05,360
i mean i i don't recall i i don't recall

2387
01:32:09,110 --> 01:32:07,360
if i've seen that i know that there were

2388
01:32:10,229 --> 01:32:09,120
other people claiming this what was that

2389
01:32:12,629 --> 01:32:10,239
guy's name

2390
01:32:16,790 --> 01:32:12,639
who was marcel vogel

2391
01:32:17,669 --> 01:32:16,800
was a guy who was a ufologist his his uh

2392
01:32:20,310 --> 01:32:17,679
his

2393
01:32:22,390 --> 01:32:20,320
claim to um

2394
01:32:23,910 --> 01:32:22,400
fame i guess was that he worked for ibm

2395
01:32:26,550 --> 01:32:23,920
and in fact he actually was a pretty

2396
01:32:28,070 --> 01:32:26,560
important guy like a research scientist

2397
01:32:29,990 --> 01:32:28,080
at ibm

2398
01:32:32,390 --> 01:32:30,000
in san jose i think

2399
01:32:34,390 --> 01:32:32,400
and i heard him give a talk once marcel

2400
01:32:36,629 --> 01:32:34,400
vogel

2401
01:32:37,990 --> 01:32:36,639
and it was full of crazy stuff

2402
01:32:41,430 --> 01:32:38,000
about

2403
01:32:43,030 --> 01:32:41,440
the magic principles of crystals and if

2404
01:32:45,189 --> 01:32:43,040
you take a healing crystal and you hold

2405
01:32:48,229 --> 01:32:45,199
it up here like this makes you stronger

2406
01:32:50,070 --> 01:32:48,239
than you know and whatever and so he he

2407
01:32:51,910 --> 01:32:50,080
published a paper

2408
01:32:53,990 --> 01:32:51,920
claiming the same thing about

2409
01:32:55,510 --> 01:32:54,000
some i don't even remember which whose

2410
01:32:58,790 --> 01:32:55,520
parts it was

2411
01:33:00,470 --> 01:32:58,800
was supposed to have a isotope ratio

2412
01:33:01,669 --> 01:33:00,480
that made it uh

2413
01:33:02,629 --> 01:33:01,679
uh

2414
01:33:05,110 --> 01:33:02,639
you know made it made it

2415
01:33:07,030 --> 01:33:05,120
extraterrestrial but then uh

2416
01:33:10,390 --> 01:33:07,040
another guy who

2417
01:33:14,149 --> 01:33:10,400
works uh in who is a physicist that

2418
01:33:16,310 --> 01:33:14,159
works uh with isotopic ratios and also

2419
01:33:20,149 --> 01:33:16,320
involved with the skeptics group uh in

2420
01:33:21,750 --> 01:33:20,159
los angeles um he said you know this is

2421
01:33:22,709 --> 01:33:21,760
nonsense he doesn't understand what he's

2422
01:33:25,110 --> 01:33:22,719
doing

2423
01:33:27,510 --> 01:33:25,120
which isn't surprising you know yeah

2424
01:33:29,430 --> 01:33:27,520
another great question from blinkenliar

2425
01:33:31,990 --> 01:33:29,440
he wants to know your opinion on gemini

2426
01:33:34,070 --> 01:33:32,000
astronaut gordon cooper and his claim of

2427
01:33:35,990 --> 01:33:34,080
an event at edwards air force base

2428
01:33:38,950 --> 01:33:36,000
gordon cooper once claimed that he

2429
01:33:41,270 --> 01:33:38,960
witnessed uh a flying saucer land at

2430
01:33:43,030 --> 01:33:41,280
edwards air force base and that there

2431
01:33:44,790 --> 01:33:43,040
was filmmaking

2432
01:33:46,790 --> 01:33:44,800
i don't know if he claimed he saw it he

2433
01:33:48,070 --> 01:33:46,800
claimed somebody else saw it or whatever

2434
01:33:49,990 --> 01:33:48,080
oh yes

2435
01:33:52,470 --> 01:33:50,000
but there is no there's absolutely no

2436
01:33:54,870 --> 01:33:52,480
evidence uh of this and i jim oberg has

2437
01:33:56,870 --> 01:33:54,880
looked into this and i don't recall the

2438
01:33:58,870 --> 01:33:56,880
uh specifics but basically the claims

2439
01:34:01,270 --> 01:33:58,880
you've heard about gordon cooper and

2440
01:34:03,830 --> 01:34:01,280
ufos are are not really true he was a

2441
01:34:05,990 --> 01:34:03,840
believer and you know he believed that

2442
01:34:07,830 --> 01:34:06,000
you folks were out there um some people

2443
01:34:08,709 --> 01:34:07,840
say he saw them in space uh but he

2444
01:34:11,510 --> 01:34:08,719
didn't

2445
01:34:13,350 --> 01:34:11,520
and uh so um

2446
01:34:15,189 --> 01:34:13,360
now you know many people have said that

2447
01:34:16,790 --> 01:34:15,199
there was an event at edwards air force

2448
01:34:19,030 --> 01:34:16,800
base or isn't that where president

2449
01:34:20,870 --> 01:34:19,040
eisenhower supposed to have met ali met

2450
01:34:22,629 --> 01:34:20,880
with the aliens yeah

2451
01:34:24,790 --> 01:34:22,639
yeah and these these rumors have been

2452
01:34:27,110 --> 01:34:24,800
going on for a long time but there's no

2453
01:34:28,149 --> 01:34:27,120
proof of any of them

2454
01:34:29,669 --> 01:34:28,159
interesting

2455
01:34:32,870 --> 01:34:29,679
and mike williams asked what is your

2456
01:34:35,189 --> 01:34:32,880
opinion of the zimbabwe school sighting

2457
01:34:38,790 --> 01:34:35,199
that one has been popularized again due

2458
01:34:40,950 --> 01:34:38,800
to james fox's recent documentary

2459
01:34:42,709 --> 01:34:40,960
where they re-interviewed the children

2460
01:34:45,189 --> 01:34:42,719
that were the witnesses of that event

2461
01:34:47,669 --> 01:34:45,199
and the children

2462
01:34:50,070 --> 01:34:47,679
stuck to their stories after 25 years or

2463
01:34:54,149 --> 01:34:50,080
30 years yeah they're they're adults not

2464
01:34:56,470 --> 01:34:54,159
children now but well i did write uh uh

2465
01:34:58,950 --> 01:34:56,480
one on that and if you put in whatever

2466
01:35:02,390 --> 01:34:58,960
that's the school what's the aerial

2467
01:35:07,990 --> 01:35:04,629
bottom line is the interview techniques

2468
01:35:09,669 --> 01:35:08,000
that we use were very bad and uh

2469
01:35:10,950 --> 01:35:09,679
so any psychologist looking at that

2470
01:35:12,790 --> 01:35:10,960
would realize

2471
01:35:14,149 --> 01:35:12,800
that they you know the children were

2472
01:35:15,669 --> 01:35:14,159
being interviewed together they could

2473
01:35:17,590 --> 01:35:15,679
hear each other's stories they didn't

2474
01:35:18,950 --> 01:35:17,600
separate them they were leading the

2475
01:35:22,229 --> 01:35:18,960
witnesses

2476
01:35:24,390 --> 01:35:22,239
so um it's really not a very right there

2477
01:35:27,430 --> 01:35:24,400
you go yeah a new investigation of the

2478
01:35:28,709 --> 01:35:27,440
1994 aerial school case

2479
01:35:30,790 --> 01:35:28,719
interesting i didn't know that they

2480
01:35:33,430 --> 01:35:30,800
interviewed the children together that

2481
01:35:35,030 --> 01:35:33,440
yeah yeah kind of problematic for me and

2482
01:35:37,910 --> 01:35:35,040
dr mack who should have known better

2483
01:35:39,750 --> 01:35:37,920
really dr mack was a was a psychiatrist

2484
01:35:41,990 --> 01:35:39,760
at harvard university he really should

2485
01:35:44,550 --> 01:35:42,000
have known all this stuff

2486
01:35:46,550 --> 01:35:44,560
but for some reason he didn't

2487
01:35:48,390 --> 01:35:46,560
yeah and here you wrote earlier about

2488
01:35:50,470 --> 01:35:48,400
emily tim who was one of the witnesses

2489
01:35:52,149 --> 01:35:50,480
to the incident 1994

2490
01:35:53,990 --> 01:35:52,159
she spoke to the international ufo

2491
01:35:55,510 --> 01:35:54,000
congress in february and gave an

2492
01:35:57,990 --> 01:35:55,520
extremely emotional account of her

2493
01:35:59,750 --> 01:35:58,000
experience she spoke on e.t contacts in

2494
01:36:02,550 --> 01:35:59,760
the aerial school incident her talk was

2495
01:36:04,629 --> 01:36:02,560
highly emotional she was crying as she

2496
01:36:05,990 --> 01:36:04,639
speaks of encountering et's floating

2497
01:36:07,590 --> 01:36:06,000
above the ground

2498
01:36:09,510 --> 01:36:07,600
she said that she fell to her knees

2499
01:36:11,270 --> 01:36:09,520
before one such being whose face kept

2500
01:36:12,790 --> 01:36:11,280
changing between that of an alien and

2501
01:36:14,470 --> 01:36:12,800
that of a lion

2502
01:36:16,950 --> 01:36:14,480
she's also had a conversation with a

2503
01:36:18,709 --> 01:36:16,960
magic butterfly the audience liked mrs

2504
01:36:20,870 --> 01:36:18,719
trims talk so much that they gave her a

2505
01:36:23,030 --> 01:36:20,880
standing ovation this is the one who

2506
01:36:24,709 --> 01:36:23,040
claims continuing contact i believe in

2507
01:36:26,709 --> 01:36:24,719
that she has i think

2508
01:36:29,430 --> 01:36:26,719
um you know been given a mission by

2509
01:36:31,669 --> 01:36:29,440
those aliens to somehow

2510
01:36:33,510 --> 01:36:31,679
you know warn people of about climate

2511
01:36:35,990 --> 01:36:33,520
change and things like that

2512
01:36:37,910 --> 01:36:36,000
which is another common common riff in

2513
01:36:39,270 --> 01:36:37,920
the ufo community that the aliens are

2514
01:36:40,790 --> 01:36:39,280
here to warn us

2515
01:36:42,470 --> 01:36:40,800
that we're going to destroy our

2516
01:36:43,510 --> 01:36:42,480
ecosystem and that we have to make

2517
01:36:45,109 --> 01:36:43,520
changes

2518
01:36:47,030 --> 01:36:45,119
we hear that

2519
01:36:48,629 --> 01:36:47,040
sometimes it's atomic energy they're

2520
01:36:51,270 --> 01:36:48,639
warning us about they're always warning

2521
01:36:53,830 --> 01:36:51,280
us about something or maybe it's law you

2522
01:36:55,430 --> 01:36:53,840
know maybe it's uh you know we don't

2523
01:36:58,550 --> 01:36:55,440
love our neighbors or something like

2524
01:37:01,189 --> 01:36:58,560
that but uh yeah yeah but as you can see

2525
01:37:02,870 --> 01:37:01,199
but getting back to uh this woman this

2526
01:37:05,030 --> 01:37:02,880
witness uh

2527
01:37:06,870 --> 01:37:05,040
it is such an emotional thing there and

2528
01:37:08,709 --> 01:37:06,880
it's not clearly this is not an

2529
01:37:11,109 --> 01:37:08,719
objective description of anything and

2530
01:37:13,350 --> 01:37:11,119
the magic butterfly and whatever

2531
01:37:16,470 --> 01:37:13,360
you know if this is your best ufo case

2532
01:37:19,590 --> 01:37:16,480
well you know it's it's it's it's pretty

2533
01:37:21,990 --> 01:37:19,600
pretty questionable

2534
01:37:24,229 --> 01:37:22,000
yes and kepsta is asking your opinion of

2535
01:37:27,109 --> 01:37:24,239
the holloman air force base landing in

2536
01:37:28,950 --> 01:37:27,119
the chit chat i believe it was holloman

2537
01:37:32,310 --> 01:37:28,960
and edwards that were both claimed to be

2538
01:37:33,189 --> 01:37:32,320
landing sites of aliens or eisenhower

2539
01:37:35,669 --> 01:37:33,199
yeah

2540
01:37:37,830 --> 01:37:35,679
no eisenhower was supposed to be was it

2541
01:37:39,030 --> 01:37:37,840
edwards or was it home i thought he was

2542
01:37:40,870 --> 01:37:39,040
supposed to be at edwards what doesn't

2543
01:37:43,030 --> 01:37:40,880
matter it's a made-up story

2544
01:37:44,550 --> 01:37:43,040
uh well i i don't really know anything

2545
01:37:46,229 --> 01:37:44,560
more about that i mean it's the same

2546
01:37:49,990 --> 01:37:46,239
thing there's just no evidence of any of

2547
01:37:52,390 --> 01:37:50,000
this being true yeah it's unfortunate

2548
01:37:55,750 --> 01:37:52,400
it's very unfortunate

2549
01:37:57,910 --> 01:37:55,760
well uh boy uh we're running rapidly out

2550
01:37:59,669 --> 01:37:57,920
of time uh i want to thank you for

2551
01:38:01,109 --> 01:37:59,679
taking the time to do this

2552
01:38:03,030 --> 01:38:01,119
and i really hope that you won't be a

2553
01:38:05,350 --> 01:38:03,040
stranger because we'd like to have the

2554
01:38:07,109 --> 01:38:05,360
perspective of a veteran researcher and

2555
01:38:09,189 --> 01:38:07,119
writer like you

2556
01:38:10,950 --> 01:38:09,199
uh here in the future you know we do

2557
01:38:12,870 --> 01:38:10,960
these panel shows sometimes and i'd like

2558
01:38:15,270 --> 01:38:12,880
to have as many opinions as possible

2559
01:38:17,270 --> 01:38:15,280
especially somebody with your experience

2560
01:38:19,430 --> 01:38:17,280
it's always really that that's really

2561
01:38:21,430 --> 01:38:19,440
really well received

2562
01:38:22,950 --> 01:38:21,440
yeah so uh

2563
01:38:25,350 --> 01:38:22,960
what what what are you up to are you

2564
01:38:27,109 --> 01:38:25,360
like retired now do you have like a date

2565
01:38:29,350 --> 01:38:27,119
yeah i'm retired i used to work in the

2566
01:38:31,590 --> 01:38:29,360
silicon valley on software development

2567
01:38:34,629 --> 01:38:31,600
real-time software that kind of thing

2568
01:38:36,470 --> 01:38:34,639
digital telephony uh and i've been uh

2569
01:38:38,790 --> 01:38:36,480
basically um

2570
01:38:41,669 --> 01:38:38,800
i i'm retired i'm working on you know on

2571
01:38:43,590 --> 01:38:41,679
ufo nonsense as well as you know

2572
01:38:47,189 --> 01:38:43,600
that's gonna work for it i'm working on

2573
01:38:50,390 --> 01:38:47,199
ufo nonsense in my retirement yeah and

2574
01:38:52,310 --> 01:38:50,400
uh also i i'm still involved in uh in

2575
01:38:54,709 --> 01:38:52,320
opera productions uh we just finished

2576
01:38:56,550 --> 01:38:54,719
doing the flair stuff but uh yeah i've

2577
01:38:58,229 --> 01:38:56,560
heard people don't know this about you

2578
01:39:00,070 --> 01:38:58,239
but i've heard that you're you're an

2579
01:39:02,149 --> 01:39:00,080
incredible opera singer somebody told me

2580
01:39:03,510 --> 01:39:02,159
that about you at least well at least

2581
01:39:06,950 --> 01:39:03,520
they're good enough to actually get away

2582
01:39:11,189 --> 01:39:09,510
yeah i don't know how you remember

2583
01:39:14,790 --> 01:39:11,199
that's a lot of italian right i don't

2584
01:39:19,430 --> 01:39:16,950
oh and lee guy is asking how do you feel

2585
01:39:20,870 --> 01:39:19,440
about ufo and nuke stories

2586
01:39:23,750 --> 01:39:20,880
you know well

2587
01:39:26,229 --> 01:39:23,760
yeah that's on there too on the blog um

2588
01:39:28,709 --> 01:39:26,239
basically this story as he tells in

2589
01:39:29,430 --> 01:39:28,719
hastings isn't really how it happened

2590
01:39:31,030 --> 01:39:29,440
and

2591
01:39:33,030 --> 01:39:31,040
now i'm trying to have to go over that

2592
01:39:34,870 --> 01:39:33,040
again to see if i got all the details

2593
01:39:36,149 --> 01:39:34,880
right but it's basically that he

2594
01:39:37,990 --> 01:39:36,159
attributes

2595
01:39:40,470 --> 01:39:38,000
an incident happening at place a and

2596
01:39:41,830 --> 01:39:40,480
time a that really happened at time b

2597
01:39:44,950 --> 01:39:41,840
and it didn't

2598
01:39:47,350 --> 01:39:44,960
doesn't line up and so on um

2599
01:39:49,990 --> 01:39:47,360
if you refer to that it's i've got the

2600
01:39:51,830 --> 01:39:50,000
details on there but yeah all these old

2601
01:39:54,149 --> 01:39:51,840
things come back you know it's like

2602
01:39:55,669 --> 01:39:54,159
ufology believes in recycling it's

2603
01:39:57,990 --> 01:39:55,679
probably the most

2604
01:39:59,109 --> 01:39:58,000
efficient recycling organization that i

2605
01:40:01,830 --> 01:39:59,119
know they take

2606
01:40:03,750 --> 01:40:01,840
every old story and just spin it around

2607
01:40:06,149 --> 01:40:03,760
a little polish it up and then bring it

2608
01:40:08,070 --> 01:40:06,159
as if it was new and what year was this

2609
01:40:10,070 --> 01:40:08,080
supposedly well this was i don't know

2610
01:40:13,030 --> 01:40:10,080
1960 something

2611
01:40:15,270 --> 01:40:13,040
or seven it was 1960s wasn't it ufos and

2612
01:40:17,910 --> 01:40:15,280
nukes and oh lord

2613
01:40:20,149 --> 01:40:17,920
it just never just never goes away they

2614
01:40:22,070 --> 01:40:20,159
just keep coming up with

2615
01:40:23,910 --> 01:40:22,080
that trent photos and all these other

2616
01:40:25,990 --> 01:40:23,920
goodies so yeah that's

2617
01:40:27,590 --> 01:40:26,000
yeah and i happen to find

2618
01:40:29,669 --> 01:40:27,600
i i was searching nuclear on your

2619
01:40:30,709 --> 01:40:29,679
website but i happen to find this is the

2620
01:40:35,669 --> 01:40:30,719
video

2621
01:40:37,430 --> 01:40:35,679
uh was about to be shown of a 77 year

2622
01:40:39,030 --> 01:40:37,440
old man in very bad health who wanted to

2623
01:40:40,229 --> 01:40:39,040
take the opportunity to reveal the story

2624
01:40:42,149 --> 01:40:40,239
of what happened to him while he worked

2625
01:40:44,709 --> 01:40:42,159
for the cia under president dwight

2626
01:40:45,590 --> 01:40:44,719
eisenhower in 1958.

2627
01:40:47,109 --> 01:40:45,600
uh

2628
01:40:48,550 --> 01:40:47,119
he wanted to take the opportunity to

2629
01:40:51,109 --> 01:40:48,560
reveal a story of what happened to him

2630
01:40:52,950 --> 01:40:51,119
while he worked for the cia

2631
01:40:54,709 --> 01:40:52,960
ex goes on to talk about how eisenhower

2632
01:40:56,550 --> 01:40:54,719
was so upset when he learned that there

2633
01:40:58,950 --> 01:40:56,560
was activity going on at the base in

2634
01:41:01,030 --> 01:40:58,960
nevada that would later be renamed as

2635
01:41:03,430 --> 01:41:01,040
area 51 that the government allegedly

2636
01:41:05,510 --> 01:41:03,440
had no jurisdiction over eisenhower sent

2637
01:41:08,310 --> 01:41:05,520
x and his boss to the base to find out

2638
01:41:10,790 --> 01:41:08,320
what was going on there this is the man

2639
01:41:12,950 --> 01:41:10,800
that jeremy corbell and richard dolan

2640
01:41:15,750 --> 01:41:12,960
claimed to have interviewed in i believe

2641
01:41:17,750 --> 01:41:15,760
it's 2014 but the problem with that is

2642
01:41:19,430 --> 01:41:17,760
that the original source came from linda

2643
01:41:21,270 --> 01:41:19,440
molten hal who's the queen of fake

2644
01:41:24,390 --> 01:41:21,280
sources to begin with

2645
01:41:26,229 --> 01:41:24,400
but she reported that this same man died

2646
01:41:28,629 --> 01:41:26,239
in 2008.

2647
01:41:30,830 --> 01:41:28,639
so my question is how did richard dolan

2648
01:41:34,950 --> 01:41:30,840
and jeremy corbell interview a man in

2649
01:41:36,950 --> 01:41:34,960
2014 that died apparently in 2008 there

2650
01:41:40,229 --> 01:41:36,960
was also a book written about him

2651
01:41:43,109 --> 01:41:40,239
anonymous uh the cia death bed

2652
01:41:45,990 --> 01:41:43,119
confession written by ron gardner who

2653
01:41:49,910 --> 01:41:46,000
also claimed to interact with this man

2654
01:41:51,910 --> 01:41:49,920
in and around uh 2012 to 2014

2655
01:41:52,950 --> 01:41:51,920
after he was already dead and then wrote

2656
01:41:55,590 --> 01:41:52,960
a book

2657
01:41:57,830 --> 01:41:55,600
based on a dead man's testimony

2658
01:42:00,870 --> 01:41:57,840
it's great it's that this is this is the

2659
01:42:03,350 --> 01:42:00,880
circus of ufos yeah 16 men not a dead

2660
01:42:06,149 --> 01:42:03,360
band's chest or something

2661
01:42:08,709 --> 01:42:06,159
lord ludacris plaid with 1.99 super chat

2662
01:42:10,550 --> 01:42:08,719
love the show keep up the great work uh

2663
01:42:12,470 --> 01:42:10,560
my pleasure lord ludicrous plat thank

2664
01:42:13,510 --> 01:42:12,480
you for helping us to praise the cash

2665
01:42:15,990 --> 01:42:13,520
thank you for your kindness your

2666
01:42:17,109 --> 01:42:16,000
generosity and your support

2667
01:42:19,189 --> 01:42:17,119
yeah

2668
01:42:20,950 --> 01:42:19,199
your blog is is interesting because i

2669
01:42:23,109 --> 01:42:20,960
did do some searches and it seems like

2670
01:42:25,510 --> 01:42:23,119
anything i put a search in on you've

2671
01:42:27,430 --> 01:42:25,520
already written something about it right

2672
01:42:29,669 --> 01:42:27,440
well it's yeah it goes back like 11

2673
01:42:32,229 --> 01:42:29,679
years i think or something so yeah it's

2674
01:42:34,709 --> 01:42:32,239
uh it's been there for a while

2675
01:42:36,870 --> 01:42:34,719
yeah i i put in bob lazar we see his

2676
01:42:39,350 --> 01:42:36,880
article about bob lazar's book and then

2677
01:42:42,390 --> 01:42:39,360
arts parts

2678
01:42:46,310 --> 01:42:44,149
this is pretty funny too i'm going to

2679
01:42:48,070 --> 01:42:46,320
share this you're you're here with my

2680
01:42:51,510 --> 01:42:48,080
buddy richard dolan did you know he's a

2681
01:42:55,590 --> 01:42:53,350
no i think he hates myself oh i think

2682
01:42:57,590 --> 01:42:55,600
yeah well i kind of found him among the

2683
01:42:58,950 --> 01:42:57,600
bsers you know

2684
01:43:00,870 --> 01:42:58,960
that's a shame

2685
01:43:02,709 --> 01:43:00,880
don't you think that he he has the

2686
01:43:04,629 --> 01:43:02,719
schtick where he pretends to be like a

2687
01:43:06,790 --> 01:43:04,639
college professor kind of serious

2688
01:43:08,629 --> 01:43:06,800
research he does he does and so he

2689
01:43:10,149 --> 01:43:08,639
pretends that and then he and then

2690
01:43:11,910 --> 01:43:10,159
imagine

2691
01:43:13,910 --> 01:43:11,920
yeah then he fakes stories he's

2692
01:43:16,310 --> 01:43:13,920
interviewing dead men

2693
01:43:17,669 --> 01:43:16,320
saying that they're a guy that died

2694
01:43:19,830 --> 01:43:17,679
and nobody's supposed to know that that

2695
01:43:21,669 --> 01:43:19,840
guy died in 2008

2696
01:43:23,830 --> 01:43:21,679
uh and he recently

2697
01:43:25,750 --> 01:43:23,840
he said that he had classified

2698
01:43:28,229 --> 01:43:25,760
information from the classified version

2699
01:43:30,070 --> 01:43:28,239
of the uap report and i called him on

2700
01:43:31,590 --> 01:43:30,080
that saying that you know he would get

2701
01:43:33,669 --> 01:43:31,600
arrested if he was in possession of

2702
01:43:35,590 --> 01:43:33,679
classified materials and was

2703
01:43:37,510 --> 01:43:35,600
disseminating it to his audience and

2704
01:43:40,310 --> 01:43:37,520
then he had to walk it he had to walk

2705
01:43:41,750 --> 01:43:40,320
that back big time you know

2706
01:43:44,550 --> 01:43:41,760
i just don't understand and then you

2707
01:43:46,950 --> 01:43:44,560
have an article here on uh jaime moussan

2708
01:43:49,350 --> 01:43:46,960
who i think is the greatest

2709
01:43:51,750 --> 01:43:49,360
ufo fraudster yeah he's the biggest fan

2710
01:43:54,709 --> 01:43:51,760
he's a major fabricator for all kinds of

2711
01:43:56,709 --> 01:43:54,719
crazy ufo stuff my favorite my favorite

2712
01:43:59,189 --> 01:43:56,719
one of jaime masang well because we're

2713
01:44:03,109 --> 01:43:59,199
all familiar with the so-called roswell

2714
01:44:04,870 --> 01:44:03,119
slides from six years ago and how uh he

2715
01:44:07,189 --> 01:44:04,880
was gonna you could be a witness to this

2716
01:44:09,910 --> 01:44:07,199
if you pay the money and so on it turns

2717
01:44:11,990 --> 01:44:09,920
out it was a dead you know a mummy of a

2718
01:44:14,229 --> 01:44:12,000
native american child

2719
01:44:17,030 --> 01:44:14,239
and

2720
01:44:19,830 --> 01:44:17,040
yeah somebody in the live chat back yeah

2721
01:44:22,470 --> 01:44:19,840
he did a 35 minute video walking back

2722
01:44:25,669 --> 01:44:22,480
all the stuff that he said after i said

2723
01:44:27,030 --> 01:44:25,679
that's garbage you'd be in prison right

2724
01:44:28,870 --> 01:44:27,040
and i don't think somebody like richard

2725
01:44:31,350 --> 01:44:28,880
dolan would do very well in prison but

2726
01:44:32,629 --> 01:44:31,360
that's just my opinion right

2727
01:44:34,550 --> 01:44:32,639
yeah so

2728
01:44:36,790 --> 01:44:34,560
but yeah jaime moussan for those that

2729
01:44:37,750 --> 01:44:36,800
don't know also was responsible for a

2730
01:44:40,629 --> 01:44:37,760
hoax

2731
01:44:44,229 --> 01:44:40,639
claiming that they had an alien body

2732
01:44:45,510 --> 01:44:44,239
when it was uh a mummified spider monkey

2733
01:44:48,470 --> 01:44:45,520
yep

2734
01:44:50,629 --> 01:44:48,480
yeah that's great and also the fairies

2735
01:44:52,629 --> 01:44:50,639
people could look up yeah jaime massan

2736
01:44:54,629 --> 01:44:52,639
fairies he had these like winged

2737
01:44:57,109 --> 01:44:54,639
creatures and it turns out that they

2738
01:44:59,270 --> 01:44:57,119
they were glued together from a bunch of

2739
01:45:01,430 --> 01:44:59,280
different animal bones and stuff like

2740
01:45:04,229 --> 01:45:01,440
that oh really i didn't see that one but

2741
01:45:06,310 --> 01:45:04,239
what i saw my favorite was he had a uh

2742
01:45:09,669 --> 01:45:06,320
on a cover of one of his magazines it

2743
01:45:11,990 --> 01:45:09,679
said un caballo and and sierra now there

2744
01:45:13,750 --> 01:45:12,000
was a horse in the sky and because it

2745
01:45:15,990 --> 01:45:13,760
was like that those little commercials

2746
01:45:17,830 --> 01:45:16,000
for uh philip 66 or whatever with the

2747
01:45:19,669 --> 01:45:17,840
horse flying after

2748
01:45:21,510 --> 01:45:19,679
you were supposed to believe that

2749
01:45:23,910 --> 01:45:21,520
somebody in mexico got a picture of a

2750
01:45:26,470 --> 01:45:23,920
horse flying across the sky

2751
01:45:27,430 --> 01:45:26,480
oh jeez yeah that guy believes anything

2752
01:45:29,030 --> 01:45:27,440
right

2753
01:45:30,790 --> 01:45:29,040
i don't think he necessarily believes

2754
01:45:34,229 --> 01:45:30,800
any of them and he has a business down

2755
01:45:36,310 --> 01:45:34,239
there and he sells magazines and

2756
01:45:37,830 --> 01:45:36,320
well in fact we visited him when i was

2757
01:45:42,229 --> 01:45:37,840
in mexico and

2758
01:45:45,990 --> 01:45:42,239
on this ufo trip in 1966 we checked out

2759
01:45:48,950 --> 01:45:46,000
all the sightings and whatever and uh

2760
01:45:51,189 --> 01:45:48,960
he uh he had a whole office there they

2761
01:45:52,950 --> 01:45:51,199
were making vhs tapes at the time i'm

2762
01:45:55,590 --> 01:45:52,960
sure it's dvds now

2763
01:46:00,470 --> 01:45:55,600
and uh you know as well selling books

2764
01:46:02,950 --> 01:46:01,590
interesting i was trying to find

2765
01:46:05,830 --> 01:46:02,960
something about those fairies and i

2766
01:46:07,830 --> 01:46:05,840
couldn't find it but i'm sure that

2767
01:46:09,270 --> 01:46:07,840
there's a researcher a christian

2768
01:46:10,149 --> 01:46:09,280
researcher

2769
01:46:13,430 --> 01:46:10,159
uh

2770
01:46:16,229 --> 01:46:13,440
la marzulli who was convinced at first

2771
01:46:17,510 --> 01:46:16,239
that these fairies were real you know

2772
01:46:19,590 --> 01:46:17,520
that there were some kind of demon

2773
01:46:21,109 --> 01:46:19,600
creatures or something and then after

2774
01:46:23,189 --> 01:46:21,119
the analysis

2775
01:46:25,030 --> 01:46:23,199
unfortunately la marzulli had to walk at

2776
01:46:27,510 --> 01:46:25,040
everything back himself saying that i

2777
01:46:29,030 --> 01:46:27,520
got fooled by heidi massan and i should

2778
01:46:30,950 --> 01:46:29,040
have known better because he's fooled

2779
01:46:33,430 --> 01:46:30,960
other researchers with the roswell

2780
01:46:34,870 --> 01:46:33,440
slides and yeah he's never he's never

2781
01:46:36,390 --> 01:46:34,880
commented that jamie mason has never

2782
01:46:37,750 --> 01:46:36,400
commented they made

2783
01:46:39,030 --> 01:46:37,760
apparently they made hundreds of

2784
01:46:41,510 --> 01:46:39,040
thousands of dollars on that

2785
01:46:42,950 --> 01:46:41,520
pay-per-view roswell slides event

2786
01:46:44,950 --> 01:46:42,960
and he's never given any of the money

2787
01:46:47,270 --> 01:46:44,960
back even after it was determined that

2788
01:46:48,790 --> 01:46:47,280
it was completely totally fake

2789
01:46:50,310 --> 01:46:48,800
i love how they never give the money

2790
01:46:51,750 --> 01:46:50,320
back even when they get caught in their

2791
01:46:53,880 --> 01:46:51,760
pants down right

2792
01:46:57,590 --> 01:46:53,890
well you don't rule out his

2793
01:47:01,270 --> 01:46:58,870
yeah

2794
01:47:03,109 --> 01:47:01,280
oh and here's uh some words on jeremy

2795
01:47:05,990 --> 01:47:03,119
cordell about

2796
01:47:08,470 --> 01:47:06,000
starting to get into the big deal uh

2797
01:47:09,910 --> 01:47:08,480
ufo business he had some other silly uh

2798
01:47:12,470 --> 01:47:09,920
movie that he made

2799
01:47:14,310 --> 01:47:12,480
silly yeah it was definitely silly

2800
01:47:16,629 --> 01:47:14,320
i like to remind people that i sent

2801
01:47:19,590 --> 01:47:16,639
jeremy corbell a treasure trove of proof

2802
01:47:21,350 --> 01:47:19,600
that bob lazar is a liar and a fraud and

2803
01:47:22,550 --> 01:47:21,360
none of that made it into his so-called

2804
01:47:25,590 --> 01:47:22,560
documentary

2805
01:47:27,669 --> 01:47:25,600
and he once famously said to me steve if

2806
01:47:30,229 --> 01:47:27,679
the story's fake there's no documentary

2807
01:47:31,669 --> 01:47:30,239
deal that's what he told me

2808
01:47:33,990 --> 01:47:31,679
so you know

2809
01:47:36,149 --> 01:47:34,000
yeah so he just yeah it's all about

2810
01:47:38,629 --> 01:47:36,159
getting getting a deal for a documentary

2811
01:47:40,550 --> 01:47:38,639
did you follow these videos that he'd

2812
01:47:42,149 --> 01:47:40,560
been releasing like that pyramid one

2813
01:47:45,189 --> 01:47:42,159
with the flashing lights that matched up

2814
01:47:47,189 --> 01:47:45,199
oh yeah i i did a lot on that i wrote

2815
01:47:49,350 --> 01:47:47,199
there's a there's a uh

2816
01:47:53,030 --> 01:47:49,360
there's a blog entry on that one too uh

2817
01:47:56,229 --> 01:47:53,040
look up uh bokeh bok e8

2818
01:47:59,350 --> 01:47:56,239
which is the uh japanese term for an out

2819
01:48:01,910 --> 01:47:59,360
of uh focus images is the term for how

2820
01:48:05,430 --> 01:48:01,920
an optical system represents an

2821
01:48:07,270 --> 01:48:05,440
autofocus image and the geniuses in the

2822
01:48:09,669 --> 01:48:07,280
so-called uap

2823
01:48:12,470 --> 01:48:09,679
task force of the pentagon

2824
01:48:15,830 --> 01:48:12,480
didn't understand optics in the least

2825
01:48:17,270 --> 01:48:15,840
uh and not only is this thing um or just

2826
01:48:18,709 --> 01:48:17,280
or if you can't find that just look for

2827
01:48:19,590 --> 01:48:18,719
it i got it

2828
01:48:20,709 --> 01:48:19,600
yeah

2829
01:48:23,350 --> 01:48:20,719
okay

2830
01:48:24,390 --> 01:48:23,360
all right yeah

2831
01:48:27,420 --> 01:48:24,400
right

2832
01:48:29,430 --> 01:48:27,430
and there we go there's jeremy and um

2833
01:48:31,510 --> 01:48:29,440
[Music]

2834
01:48:33,750 --> 01:48:31,520
yeah see there's um

2835
01:48:34,470 --> 01:48:33,760
the out of focus image

2836
01:48:37,189 --> 01:48:34,480
but

2837
01:48:41,830 --> 01:48:37,199
the when it when a an image is out of

2838
01:48:43,910 --> 01:48:41,840
focus in an optical system it will take

2839
01:48:45,350 --> 01:48:43,920
the same shape as the aperture of the

2840
01:48:46,790 --> 01:48:45,360
front

2841
01:48:48,550 --> 01:48:46,800
so um

2842
01:48:50,790 --> 01:48:48,560
for example in a typical camera you've

2843
01:48:54,070 --> 01:48:50,800
got like eight or six or eight you know

2844
01:48:55,510 --> 01:48:54,080
little little leaves that you know close

2845
01:48:57,350 --> 01:48:55,520
and open

2846
01:48:58,790 --> 01:48:57,360
and you'll see that when the images are

2847
01:49:00,390 --> 01:48:58,800
out of focus in this case it's a

2848
01:49:03,990 --> 01:49:00,400
triangular aperture

2849
01:49:05,189 --> 01:49:04,000
is because this is a night vision device

2850
01:49:07,109 --> 01:49:05,199
but

2851
01:49:09,910 --> 01:49:07,119
and then go a little further some people

2852
01:49:11,510 --> 01:49:09,920
have gone to the trouble of

2853
01:49:13,109 --> 01:49:11,520
actually figuring out what we're seeing

2854
01:49:16,950 --> 01:49:13,119
in these out of focus images and it

2855
01:49:18,709 --> 01:49:16,960
turns out it's actually a uh

2856
01:49:20,390 --> 01:49:18,719
we're just seeing an airplane moving

2857
01:49:23,270 --> 01:49:20,400
across the star field that includes

2858
01:49:25,669 --> 01:49:23,280
jupiter and the stars of sagittarius and

2859
01:49:28,070 --> 01:49:25,679
aquila or some sort there you go this is

2860
01:49:30,870 --> 01:49:28,080
the bokeh okay uh this one yeah i know

2861
01:49:32,070 --> 01:49:30,880
that people have reproduced that ufo

2862
01:49:33,990 --> 01:49:32,080
pretty well

2863
01:49:35,669 --> 01:49:34,000
yeah that's exactly what it is this and

2864
01:49:37,430 --> 01:49:35,679
there's the you know the the green

2865
01:49:39,910 --> 01:49:37,440
circle and then the one below it these

2866
01:49:42,629 --> 01:49:39,920
are exactly the same this is the

2867
01:49:44,310 --> 01:49:42,639
you know the so-called ufo and then you

2868
01:49:45,910 --> 01:49:44,320
got jupiter then you got the stars and

2869
01:49:48,149 --> 01:49:45,920
the constellation scorpius everything

2870
01:49:50,149 --> 01:49:48,159
matches up perfectly just out of focus

2871
01:49:52,390 --> 01:49:50,159
that's all yeah and if that aperture is

2872
01:49:54,070 --> 01:49:52,400
set a certain way every star in the sky

2873
01:49:56,629 --> 01:49:54,080
or light source is going to appear to be

2874
01:50:00,070 --> 01:49:56,639
a triangle ufo yeah but see you have an

2875
01:50:02,709 --> 01:50:00,080
auto focus in most uh all modern uh uh

2876
01:50:04,390 --> 01:50:02,719
optical systems and so it's

2877
01:50:06,390 --> 01:50:04,400
when it doesn't have a clear image or

2878
01:50:08,470 --> 01:50:06,400
when it's just like a dark night sky

2879
01:50:09,830 --> 01:50:08,480
autofocus isn't gonna work very well so

2880
01:50:12,310 --> 01:50:09,840
you're typically going to see things out

2881
01:50:14,310 --> 01:50:12,320
of focus

2882
01:50:16,310 --> 01:50:14,320
yeah and here we see the aperture

2883
01:50:18,390 --> 01:50:16,320
adjusted to the triangle kind of a

2884
01:50:21,030 --> 01:50:18,400
setting which makes every light source

2885
01:50:23,589 --> 01:50:21,040
look like a triangle right this was this

2886
01:50:25,430 --> 01:50:23,599
was considered you know advanced uh

2887
01:50:28,709 --> 01:50:25,440
optics or something that the so-called

2888
01:50:31,990 --> 01:50:28,719
government the uh uap task force i just

2889
01:50:35,109 --> 01:50:33,669
it makes me think that they've got a lot

2890
01:50:36,950 --> 01:50:35,119
of people that shouldn't be working for

2891
01:50:38,629 --> 01:50:36,960
them working for them right what did you

2892
01:50:40,870 --> 01:50:38,639
say earlier good enough for government

2893
01:50:42,629 --> 01:50:40,880
work yes i think so

2894
01:50:44,950 --> 01:50:42,639
well i don't think just frankly i don't

2895
01:50:47,109 --> 01:50:44,960
think more than two or three people

2896
01:50:49,030 --> 01:50:47,119
i don't you know if they had anybody do

2897
01:50:52,229 --> 01:50:49,040
anything about photography they would

2898
01:50:55,030 --> 01:50:52,239
you know they'd know this but uh

2899
01:50:57,750 --> 01:50:55,040
yeah this is great the balloons batman

2900
01:51:02,390 --> 01:50:59,990
i love the batman one and you can even

2901
01:51:05,270 --> 01:51:02,400
see here the kind of one will see the

2902
01:51:07,109 --> 01:51:05,280
batman outline yeah almost

2903
01:51:11,910 --> 01:51:07,119
it may not be batman but it's something

2904
01:51:17,189 --> 01:51:14,310
metallic blimp photo almost takes on a

2905
01:51:19,830 --> 01:51:17,199
shark appearance yeah yes uh

2906
01:51:22,629 --> 01:51:19,840
look there's a shark there's your shark

2907
01:51:27,510 --> 01:51:24,950
these guys appear like they would use

2908
01:51:29,270 --> 01:51:27,520
anything like i don't know if it was me

2909
01:51:32,070 --> 01:51:29,280
looking at these images and the one in

2910
01:51:33,830 --> 01:51:32,080
the middle here people have suggested

2911
01:51:36,790 --> 01:51:33,840
it's but people have suggested that's a

2912
01:51:39,589 --> 01:51:36,800
reflection off of an iphone and that's

2913
01:51:41,750 --> 01:51:39,599
the camera lens reflecting off of the

2914
01:51:43,990 --> 01:51:41,760
off of the fighter canopy

2915
01:51:47,030 --> 01:51:44,000
so that's not it it may not be an object

2916
01:51:49,109 --> 01:51:47,040
at all whatever it is it's out of focus

2917
01:51:51,589 --> 01:51:49,119
yeah so well somebody did an analysis

2918
01:51:54,790 --> 01:51:51,599
and determined that this is most likely

2919
01:51:58,070 --> 01:51:54,800
the aperture the the camera from an

2920
01:52:01,270 --> 01:51:58,080
iphone reflecting on the canopy of the

2921
01:52:03,589 --> 01:52:01,280
of the aircraft that you know

2922
01:52:06,470 --> 01:52:03,599
so there's no image out there in the in

2923
01:52:08,229 --> 01:52:06,480
the sky it's just a reflection or you

2924
01:52:11,669 --> 01:52:08,239
know

2925
01:52:13,910 --> 01:52:11,679
of the actual iphone camera aperture the

2926
01:52:15,669 --> 01:52:13,920
little round camera on the on the back

2927
01:52:17,030 --> 01:52:15,679
of a iphone

2928
01:52:18,870 --> 01:52:17,040
yeah this one i don't know that was

2929
01:52:19,669 --> 01:52:18,880
really debunked but this one everybody

2930
01:52:21,830 --> 01:52:19,679
says

2931
01:52:23,350 --> 01:52:21,840
batman balloon yeah no the one on the

2932
01:52:25,750 --> 01:52:23,360
left is the one that's supposed to be

2933
01:52:28,470 --> 01:52:25,760
the shark i think oh the shark yeah so

2934
01:52:30,790 --> 01:52:28,480
we've got the shark a lens a lens

2935
01:52:32,229 --> 01:52:30,800
reflecting on an airplane canopy and a

2936
01:52:35,030 --> 01:52:32,239
batman balloon

2937
01:52:39,030 --> 01:52:35,040
but the georgian pool is depending on

2938
01:52:41,189 --> 01:52:39,040
ufo analysts it'll fool them you know

2939
01:52:43,189 --> 01:52:41,199
yeah and and you know the other thing

2940
01:52:44,950 --> 01:52:43,199
that people don't realize is just

2941
01:52:45,750 --> 01:52:44,960
because the pentagon says yeah these

2942
01:52:48,470 --> 01:52:45,760
were

2943
01:52:50,790 --> 01:52:48,480
images taken from by our personnel

2944
01:52:52,550 --> 01:52:50,800
doesn't mean that they haven't already

2945
01:52:55,510 --> 01:52:52,560
determined that these are balloons or

2946
01:52:57,430 --> 01:52:55,520
not threatening and not aliens

2947
01:52:59,030 --> 01:52:57,440
they would announce that if they said

2948
01:53:00,550 --> 01:52:59,040
that well we looked at this we thought

2949
01:53:02,550 --> 01:53:00,560
they were balloons

2950
01:53:03,910 --> 01:53:02,560
i would think if they the fact that they

2951
01:53:05,830 --> 01:53:03,920
haven't said this or and they've

2952
01:53:08,310 --> 01:53:05,840
basically just released them and without

2953
01:53:11,109 --> 01:53:08,320
comment and they i think means that they

2954
01:53:13,750 --> 01:53:11,119
don't know what it is either

2955
01:53:16,229 --> 01:53:13,760
yeah well we all know how wonderful a

2956
01:53:17,589 --> 01:53:16,239
job everybody in government does right i

2957
01:53:19,430 --> 01:53:17,599
mean i'm sure there's some good people

2958
01:53:21,830 --> 01:53:19,440
but if you've ever been to the dmv or

2959
01:53:24,229 --> 01:53:21,840
the post office you'd be cursing at

2960
01:53:26,390 --> 01:53:24,239
government workers too you know yeah

2961
01:53:28,310 --> 01:53:26,400
just seems like they have they're always

2962
01:53:32,470 --> 01:53:28,320
nasty and rude because they can't get

2963
01:53:35,030 --> 01:53:32,480
fired it's like right i don't know

2964
01:53:36,870 --> 01:53:35,040
they hire they hire some real winners

2965
01:53:37,830 --> 01:53:36,880
too so uh

2966
01:53:39,350 --> 01:53:37,840
yeah

2967
01:53:41,350 --> 01:53:39,360
this is this one lee guy says the

2968
01:53:43,830 --> 01:53:41,360
metallic blip looks like an out-of-focus

2969
01:53:46,470 --> 01:53:43,840
airbus super guppy yeah there's another

2970
01:53:48,550 --> 01:53:46,480
one something like that yeah yeah

2971
01:53:50,310 --> 01:53:48,560
maybe it's a big guppy

2972
01:53:51,910 --> 01:53:50,320
and victor cagliaro contributing that

2973
01:53:53,669 --> 01:53:51,920
the three picks including the batman

2974
01:53:55,189 --> 01:53:53,679
balloon were all taken 30 minutes apart

2975
01:53:56,870 --> 01:53:55,199
near virginia beach which has a big

2976
01:54:00,629 --> 01:53:56,880
problem with people releasing party

2977
01:54:02,870 --> 01:54:00,639
balloons they issue fines for it now

2978
01:54:04,709 --> 01:54:02,880
that's very interesting explanation yeah

2979
01:54:06,229 --> 01:54:04,719
and they don't see them anymore and the

2980
01:54:08,149 --> 01:54:06,239
sixth sense says robert the search

2981
01:54:08,950 --> 01:54:08,159
feature on your site works wonderful

2982
01:54:12,750 --> 01:54:08,960
yeah

2983
01:54:14,550 --> 01:54:12,760
listen i'm gonna put it's it's

2984
01:54:17,030 --> 01:54:14,560
badufos.blogspot.com i'm gonna put the

2985
01:54:20,470 --> 01:54:17,040
blog i'm a terrible show host i'm gonna

2986
01:54:23,109 --> 01:54:20,480
put your blog uh into the description of

2987
01:54:25,030 --> 01:54:23,119
the video here so anybody can visit it

2988
01:54:26,310 --> 01:54:25,040
and no matter what ufo case you're

2989
01:54:28,470 --> 01:54:26,320
interested in if you put it in the

2990
01:54:29,270 --> 01:54:28,480
search bar you may find some resources

2991
01:54:30,070 --> 01:54:29,280
there

2992
01:54:31,990 --> 01:54:30,080
right

2993
01:54:34,629 --> 01:54:32,000
and victor says it's likely the major

2994
01:54:36,790 --> 01:54:34,639
cases you can see virginia beach in the

2995
01:54:39,510 --> 01:54:36,800
background of one of the pictures

2996
01:54:41,430 --> 01:54:39,520
that's great maybe

2997
01:54:42,950 --> 01:54:41,440
well that's a big navy base right in

2998
01:54:44,390 --> 01:54:42,960
virginia beach

2999
01:54:45,510 --> 01:54:44,400
yeah yeah

3000
01:54:49,189 --> 01:54:45,520
yeah

3001
01:54:51,669 --> 01:54:49,199
contributes ask yourself why the

3002
01:54:53,270 --> 01:54:51,679
triangle video is cut to end just at the

3003
01:54:55,669 --> 01:54:53,280
time you'd expect the person filming

3004
01:54:59,830 --> 01:54:55,679
would have adjusted the focus

3005
01:55:05,830 --> 01:55:01,270
yeah

3006
01:55:06,870 --> 01:55:05,840
belgian triangle flap problem solved i

3007
01:55:08,390 --> 01:55:06,880
don't know i think there might have been

3008
01:55:10,310 --> 01:55:08,400
something to the belgian flat because

3009
01:55:12,950 --> 01:55:10,320
there was too many witnesses to

3010
01:55:15,030 --> 01:55:12,960
different craft and different events

3011
01:55:17,510 --> 01:55:15,040
too many witnesses and yet not a single

3012
01:55:19,750 --> 01:55:17,520
authenticated photo the one photo that

3013
01:55:22,070 --> 01:55:19,760
we have from this patrick guy and it's

3014
01:55:24,390 --> 01:55:22,080
now admitted to be a hoax

3015
01:55:25,990 --> 01:55:24,400
uh and you know if hundreds of thousands

3016
01:55:30,229 --> 01:55:26,000
of people are seeing ufos and not a

3017
01:55:32,229 --> 01:55:30,239
single photo of it what you know okay

3018
01:55:33,510 --> 01:55:32,239
yeah and then that's another question i

3019
01:55:36,629 --> 01:55:33,520
have for you because i'd like to know

3020
01:55:38,870 --> 01:55:36,639
your thoughts on it with the increase in

3021
01:55:40,229 --> 01:55:38,880
camera quality right i mean there's

3022
01:55:43,109 --> 01:55:40,239
people making

3023
01:55:44,709 --> 01:55:43,119
movies on iphones now yes people have

3024
01:55:48,229 --> 01:55:44,719
made movies yeah

3025
01:55:51,589 --> 01:55:48,239
the quality of just a simple very simple

3026
01:55:53,669 --> 01:55:51,599
uh phone android or iphone today is uh

3027
01:55:55,990 --> 01:55:53,679
equivalent to what you know 10 years ago

3028
01:55:57,750 --> 01:55:56,000
15 years ago you'd pay 200 and get a

3029
01:56:00,950 --> 01:55:57,760
small camera and you know it's

3030
01:56:02,550 --> 01:56:00,960
equivalent to that so you really uh you

3031
01:56:05,109 --> 01:56:02,560
would expect that there could be some

3032
01:56:07,910 --> 01:56:05,119
very high quality photos

3033
01:56:11,990 --> 01:56:07,920
of uh you know ufos or any strange thing

3034
01:56:14,550 --> 01:56:13,350
yeah there's a great deal of hype

3035
01:56:16,870 --> 01:56:14,560
surrounding

3036
01:56:20,229 --> 01:56:16,880
these releases both by george knapp and

3037
01:56:22,310 --> 01:56:20,239
by jeremy corbell and again i i don't

3038
01:56:24,149 --> 01:56:22,320
if if i was in possession of those i

3039
01:56:26,629 --> 01:56:24,159
would have done the work first to get

3040
01:56:28,709 --> 01:56:26,639
them analyzed or asked image

3041
01:56:31,270 --> 01:56:28,719
analysts or specialists

3042
01:56:32,870 --> 01:56:31,280
with their opinion of it but is before i

3043
01:56:35,189 --> 01:56:32,880
certainly before i released it and

3044
01:56:37,830 --> 01:56:35,199
definitely before i hyped it all up

3045
01:56:39,030 --> 01:56:37,840
but in this backwards world of the ufo

3046
01:56:40,950 --> 01:56:39,040
hucksters

3047
01:56:43,830 --> 01:56:40,960
no if you got something that you could

3048
01:56:46,310 --> 01:56:43,840
sell monetize clicks and views you

3049
01:56:49,189 --> 01:56:46,320
release and you worry about the fallout

3050
01:56:51,030 --> 01:56:49,199
later make up some excuses for why it's

3051
01:56:55,270 --> 01:56:51,040
you know

3052
01:56:57,990 --> 01:56:55,280
elizondo had a zero budget for his

3053
01:56:59,830 --> 01:56:58,000
program atip maybe he couldn't afford

3054
01:57:01,510 --> 01:56:59,840
any photo analysts

3055
01:57:03,830 --> 01:57:01,520
yeah

3056
01:57:05,910 --> 01:57:03,840
art l7 is asking uh if you could give

3057
01:57:07,910 --> 01:57:05,920
your view on what happened to osap did

3058
01:57:11,109 --> 01:57:07,920
it shut down in 2010 and sign it by

3059
01:57:12,790 --> 01:57:11,119
lakotsky and atip had no funds was just

3060
01:57:14,629 --> 01:57:12,800
made up program

3061
01:57:16,870 --> 01:57:14,639
uh that means the new york times is

3062
01:57:18,310 --> 01:57:16,880
wrong did alexander have a role in

3063
01:57:21,030 --> 01:57:18,320
anything

3064
01:57:22,629 --> 01:57:21,040
me i'd say i don't know

3065
01:57:24,310 --> 01:57:22,639
i don't know but i would think if there

3066
01:57:26,310 --> 01:57:24,320
was a if he didn't have a role he should

3067
01:57:28,229 --> 01:57:26,320
have been able to prove it by now yeah

3068
01:57:30,470 --> 01:57:28,239
and what he just said was was you know

3069
01:57:32,470 --> 01:57:30,480
it's covered in the last uh posting that

3070
01:57:34,870 --> 01:57:32,480
i made on the blog about elizondo and

3071
01:57:36,310 --> 01:57:34,880
lukowski says elizondo had zero budget

3072
01:57:37,910 --> 01:57:36,320
zero well what are you gonna do with

3073
01:57:40,070 --> 01:57:37,920
that is that a program how can you have

3074
01:57:41,830 --> 01:57:40,080
a program with zero budget yeah i'm

3075
01:57:43,510 --> 01:57:41,840
starting to get i think and it was like

3076
01:57:44,950 --> 01:57:43,520
a hobby it was like a side i'm starting

3077
01:57:47,030 --> 01:57:44,960
to get that feeling

3078
01:57:49,589 --> 01:57:47,040
yeah it was a club and senator harry

3079
01:57:51,990 --> 01:57:49,599
reid was in on it and bigelow was in on

3080
01:57:54,470 --> 01:57:52,000
it and elizondo was in on it and hal put

3081
01:57:56,870 --> 01:57:54,480
off and eric davis you can't show me any

3082
01:57:58,709 --> 01:57:56,880
other person that was in on this program

3083
01:58:01,430 --> 01:57:58,719
or that has admitted to involvement with

3084
01:58:04,310 --> 01:58:01,440
it except for put off elizondo

3085
01:58:06,629 --> 01:58:04,320
and eric davis well the authors are

3086
01:58:08,470 --> 01:58:06,639
there are some other authors of the 38

3087
01:58:10,390 --> 01:58:08,480
papers now some of them you've mentioned

3088
01:58:12,470 --> 01:58:10,400
but there are other authors whose names

3089
01:58:13,750 --> 01:58:12,480
i can't think of right now but you know

3090
01:58:16,390 --> 01:58:13,760
possibly somebody might want to

3091
01:58:17,830 --> 01:58:16,400
interview them see what they could say

3092
01:58:19,750 --> 01:58:17,840
yeah i'm going to put on my list of

3093
01:58:22,149 --> 01:58:19,760
things to look into so you're giving us

3094
01:58:25,109 --> 01:58:22,159
some new leads and uh giving us an

3095
01:58:26,550 --> 01:58:25,119
education into your vast uh experience

3096
01:58:29,189 --> 01:58:26,560
as a veteran

3097
01:58:30,470 --> 01:58:29,199
debunker uh oh i'm gonna get in trouble

3098
01:58:32,070 --> 01:58:30,480
you know i'm gonna get in trouble for

3099
01:58:34,790 --> 01:58:32,080
having you here people are gonna want to

3100
01:58:36,310 --> 01:58:34,800
have a skeptic on don't you want to know

3101
01:58:38,229 --> 01:58:36,320
you know

3102
01:58:39,589 --> 01:58:38,239
i guess the final question this is

3103
01:58:42,390 --> 01:58:39,599
really the final question i want to keep

3104
01:58:44,310 --> 01:58:42,400
it too much longer but yeah you know uh

3105
01:58:47,109 --> 01:58:44,320
it seems to me that that some of these

3106
01:58:49,430 --> 01:58:47,119
ufo true believers are really nasty

3107
01:58:52,229 --> 01:58:49,440
argumentative and just

3108
01:58:54,229 --> 01:58:52,239
terrible to some of the skeptics even

3109
01:58:56,229 --> 01:58:54,239
when the skeptics are proving that the

3110
01:58:58,550 --> 01:58:56,239
stories are fake like mick west is the

3111
01:59:02,390 --> 01:58:58,560
one that proved this bokeh

3112
01:59:04,390 --> 01:59:02,400
and this triangle ufo was likely fake

3113
01:59:07,430 --> 01:59:04,400
and he got attacked very viciously for

3114
01:59:09,350 --> 01:59:07,440
it oh yeah oh yeah is it just do they

3115
01:59:10,870 --> 01:59:09,360
just want to believe their fairy tales

3116
01:59:12,390 --> 01:59:10,880
so they're going to attack anybody that

3117
01:59:14,070 --> 01:59:12,400
disproves them or

3118
01:59:15,990 --> 01:59:14,080
what do you think it's a wonderful

3119
01:59:17,669 --> 01:59:16,000
you know they think they're on to some

3120
01:59:19,910 --> 01:59:17,679
wonderful discoveries and the only

3121
01:59:22,229 --> 01:59:19,920
reason that the whole world doesn't know

3122
01:59:24,149 --> 01:59:22,239
about all this ufo proof is because

3123
01:59:26,070 --> 01:59:24,159
skeptics have convinced everybody that

3124
01:59:27,589 --> 01:59:26,080
it's all fake and if the skeptics would

3125
01:59:28,950 --> 01:59:27,599
just shut up they could show everybody

3126
01:59:31,510 --> 01:59:28,960
that it's true

3127
01:59:33,189 --> 01:59:31,520
but you know but it says phil glass used

3128
01:59:36,390 --> 01:59:33,199
to say they would accuse him of being a

3129
01:59:37,430 --> 01:59:36,400
debunker and class would say a thing can

3130
01:59:39,990 --> 01:59:37,440
only be

3131
01:59:41,750 --> 01:59:40,000
debunked if it's uh filled with bunk in

3132
01:59:43,270 --> 01:59:41,760
the first place

3133
01:59:45,109 --> 01:59:43,280
that's a good way that's a good way to

3134
01:59:47,189 --> 01:59:45,119
put it and victor cagliaro commenting

3135
01:59:48,870 --> 01:59:47,199
that lakatsky saw an apparition at

3136
01:59:50,790 --> 01:59:48,880
skinwalker that looked like the tubular

3137
01:59:53,189 --> 01:59:50,800
bells album cover

3138
01:59:54,070 --> 01:59:53,199
tubular bells is the theme for exorcists

3139
01:59:58,229 --> 01:59:54,080
and

3140
01:59:59,510 --> 01:59:58,239
i may have some explanation for what it

3141
02:00:01,990 --> 01:59:59,520
is that he saw

3142
02:00:03,669 --> 02:00:02,000
yeah i have no idea what he saw oh no

3143
02:00:05,910 --> 02:00:03,679
look i'm going to share this and then

3144
02:00:08,629 --> 02:00:05,920
we'll let you bounce out of here uh i'm

3145
02:00:12,390 --> 02:00:08,639
sorry for keeping you so long here this

3146
02:00:14,629 --> 02:00:12,400
is what he apparently saw in the sky

3147
02:00:17,109 --> 02:00:14,639
and the thing is when i was a child

3148
02:00:19,510 --> 02:00:17,119
there was there was something that was

3149
02:00:21,669 --> 02:00:19,520
like this but it was black

3150
02:00:23,910 --> 02:00:21,679
and you would fill it with air

3151
02:00:24,830 --> 02:00:23,920
and then you would lay it out in the sun

3152
02:00:28,070 --> 02:00:24,840
in a

3153
02:00:31,750 --> 02:00:28,080
field balloon a solar balloon yes and i

3154
02:00:33,430 --> 02:00:31,760
had them when i was a child and at times

3155
02:00:35,830 --> 02:00:33,440
they would look like this in the sky

3156
02:00:39,030 --> 02:00:35,840
because they were a long thin you know a

3157
02:00:40,950 --> 02:00:39,040
long uh tube made of like plastic bag

3158
02:00:42,550 --> 02:00:40,960
material like a trash bag

3159
02:00:44,229 --> 02:00:42,560
and some of the air would come out and

3160
02:00:46,310 --> 02:00:44,239
they'd flap around in the wind and they

3161
02:00:48,310 --> 02:00:46,320
would look like this so i don't see that

3162
02:00:50,149 --> 02:00:48,320
as some groundbreaking

3163
02:00:51,669 --> 02:00:50,159
sighting that has to be aliens but

3164
02:00:53,669 --> 02:00:51,679
that's just my take on it having

3165
02:00:56,470 --> 02:00:53,679
experience with solar balloons

3166
02:00:58,310 --> 02:00:56,480
could easily be assaulted aliens yeah

3167
02:01:02,390 --> 02:00:58,320
yeah

3168
02:01:03,510 --> 02:01:02,400
percent of all papers i can send you the

3169
02:01:05,109 --> 02:01:03,520
charts

3170
02:01:06,790 --> 02:01:05,119
great

3171
02:01:09,109 --> 02:01:06,800
and patrick shane commenting that

3172
02:01:10,950 --> 02:01:09,119
skinwalker has used us special ops for

3173
02:01:13,990 --> 02:01:10,960
psyops training some people believe that

3174
02:01:17,589 --> 02:01:14,000
it's a psychological warfare test center

3175
02:01:21,990 --> 02:01:19,270
anyway i want to thank you very much for

3176
02:01:24,070 --> 02:01:22,000
your time and uh and all of all of the

3177
02:01:25,510 --> 02:01:24,080
great uh insight that you could share

3178
02:01:27,750 --> 02:01:25,520
with us today

3179
02:01:31,109 --> 02:01:27,760
concerning your many years looking into

3180
02:01:32,790 --> 02:01:31,119
what did you call it ufo nonsense

3181
02:01:35,270 --> 02:01:32,800
sometimes i say that you know or you

3182
02:01:37,189 --> 02:01:35,280
fooligy because there's ufology when

3183
02:01:38,709 --> 02:01:37,199
people are trying to be careful and and

3184
02:01:40,550 --> 02:01:38,719
somewhat scientific and there's you

3185
02:01:42,229 --> 02:01:40,560
fooligy where they just say a lot of

3186
02:01:44,149 --> 02:01:42,239
nonsense and believe every story they

3187
02:01:45,669 --> 02:01:44,159
hear and unfortunately there's a lot

3188
02:01:47,030 --> 02:01:45,679
more of you fooligy than there is

3189
02:01:49,350 --> 02:01:47,040
ufology

3190
02:01:51,510 --> 02:01:49,360
yeah and on that note we're gonna let

3191
02:01:53,669 --> 02:01:51,520
you go i hope that you will return

3192
02:01:55,109 --> 02:01:53,679
because this has been great for me to

3193
02:01:56,550 --> 02:01:55,119
finally talk to you after years of

3194
02:01:59,910 --> 02:01:56,560
reading your blog

3195
02:02:02,629 --> 02:01:59,920
and uh you know you have burst my ufo

3196
02:02:04,390 --> 02:02:02,639
nonsense bubble on many occasions and i

3197
02:02:06,470 --> 02:02:04,400
want to thank you for that because

3198
02:02:07,830 --> 02:02:06,480
i don't want to believe in fake stories

3199
02:02:10,310 --> 02:02:07,840
i want to know the truth about it

3200
02:02:12,629 --> 02:02:10,320
exactly so something's fake i want to

3201
02:02:14,229 --> 02:02:12,639
know it's fake right i hope right i hope

3202
02:02:15,830 --> 02:02:14,239
others do as well

3203
02:02:17,750 --> 02:02:15,840
exactly all right well it's been great

3204
02:02:19,189 --> 02:02:17,760
to talk to you yeah you keep up with

3205
02:02:21,109 --> 02:02:19,199
great work and i hope you come back for

3206
02:02:22,870 --> 02:02:21,119
one of our panel shows or for our future

3207
02:02:24,950 --> 02:02:22,880
we can do that at some point i'm sure

3208
02:02:27,669 --> 02:02:24,960
all right great thanks so much for your

3209
02:02:29,910 --> 02:02:27,679
help tonight all right bye-bye

3210
02:02:32,790 --> 02:02:29,920
wow friends what a great night uh

3211
02:02:35,910 --> 02:02:32,800
tonight i got uh i got mr schaefer off

3212
02:02:38,790 --> 02:02:35,920
my list and i've had him on my list

3213
02:02:39,830 --> 02:02:38,800
for quite quite some time

3214
02:02:43,270 --> 02:02:39,840
uh

3215
02:02:45,350 --> 02:02:43,280
multi-camera setup so you'll have to

3216
02:02:47,270 --> 02:02:45,360
excuse me if uh

3217
02:02:48,950 --> 02:02:47,280
yeah

3218
02:02:51,270 --> 02:02:48,960
it's like i was dreaming when i wrote

3219
02:02:52,229 --> 02:02:51,280
this forgive me if it goes astray there

3220
02:02:54,470 --> 02:02:52,239
we go

3221
02:02:55,750 --> 02:02:54,480
this one has uh a bunch of different

3222
02:02:58,390 --> 02:02:55,760
options and i've got all kinds of

3223
02:03:00,629 --> 02:02:58,400
remotes now you know buttons to push

3224
02:03:03,510 --> 02:03:00,639
that's all i need i can barely work the

3225
02:03:05,990 --> 02:03:03,520
show now and me like a dummy what do i

3226
02:03:09,109 --> 02:03:06,000
do i add a whole bunch more buttons and

3227
02:03:11,270 --> 02:03:09,119
options and things right

3228
02:03:13,910 --> 02:03:11,280
so i you know i'm sorry for any of the

3229
02:03:16,310 --> 02:03:13,920
wonderful questions that we did not get

3230
02:03:18,149 --> 02:03:16,320
uh we did not get to ask mr schaefer but

3231
02:03:20,390 --> 02:03:18,159
i'm sure that uh tonight may be the

3232
02:03:22,790 --> 02:03:20,400
first of many appearances from his i'm

3233
02:03:23,669 --> 02:03:22,800
hopeful anyway i think he had a good

3234
02:03:26,390 --> 02:03:23,679
time

3235
02:03:28,470 --> 02:03:26,400
uh recounting some of his experience in

3236
02:03:30,870 --> 02:03:28,480
his very long career looking into these

3237
02:03:32,550 --> 02:03:30,880
things uh you can notice

3238
02:03:34,310 --> 02:03:32,560
that poster is messed up it got like

3239
02:03:36,070 --> 02:03:34,320
screwed up i gotta get a new one but

3240
02:03:38,390 --> 02:03:36,080
this is the obligatory if you're gonna

3241
02:03:40,070 --> 02:03:38,400
do a ufo show you gotta have this poster

3242
02:03:43,270 --> 02:03:40,080
it comes with a job

3243
02:03:44,950 --> 02:03:43,280
i wanna believe right

3244
02:03:46,550 --> 02:03:44,960
mike williams says who's next michael

3245
02:03:48,629 --> 02:03:46,560
shermer i have asked him for an

3246
02:03:50,149 --> 02:03:48,639
interview three times he's never replied

3247
02:03:51,350 --> 02:03:50,159
to an email

3248
02:03:54,149 --> 02:03:51,360
um

3249
02:04:00,629 --> 02:03:54,159
kalkorf says lakotsky is a bit gullible

3250
02:04:05,189 --> 02:04:02,149
yeah funny how people don't talk about

3251
02:04:07,109 --> 02:04:05,199
how awesome obtained 11 ufo

3252
02:04:09,669 --> 02:04:07,119
databases including the move font

3253
02:04:11,270 --> 02:04:09,679
database yeah nice of all those people

3254
02:04:13,430 --> 02:04:11,280
who were reporting

3255
02:04:16,790 --> 02:04:13,440
things right all these people were

3256
02:04:19,669 --> 02:04:16,800
reporting things to

3257
02:04:21,830 --> 02:04:19,679
to move on not know and and

3258
02:04:23,589 --> 02:04:21,840
they thought that they were their

3259
02:04:25,750 --> 02:04:23,599
names and their addresses and everything

3260
02:04:26,709 --> 02:04:25,760
was going to be kept confidential

3261
02:04:28,950 --> 02:04:26,719
but no

3262
02:04:31,270 --> 02:04:28,960
mufon sold it to bigelow who then sold

3263
02:04:33,189 --> 02:04:31,280
it all to the government right and in

3264
02:04:34,149 --> 02:04:33,199
some cases some people

3265
02:04:35,830 --> 02:04:34,159
are

3266
02:04:36,950 --> 02:04:35,840
very distrustful of the government so

3267
02:04:39,350 --> 02:04:36,960
they wanted to go to a private

3268
02:04:42,629 --> 02:04:39,360
organization like mufon and none of them

3269
02:04:44,870 --> 02:04:42,639
had any idea that mufon was handing all

3270
02:04:47,430 --> 02:04:44,880
of their data over to first a

3271
02:04:50,830 --> 02:04:47,440
billionaire robert piccolo who then

3272
02:04:54,310 --> 02:04:50,840
would hand it right over to the pentagon

3273
02:04:58,069 --> 02:04:54,320
great yeah uh

3274
02:05:00,550 --> 02:04:58,079
so uh tomorrow night uh i have uh a

3275
02:05:02,229 --> 02:05:00,560
special show planned you guys all wanted

3276
02:05:04,550 --> 02:05:02,239
to see this uh

3277
02:05:07,030 --> 02:05:04,560
an update on anjali and tomorrow night

3278
02:05:10,229 --> 02:05:07,040
we're gonna have ryan from

3279
02:05:11,910 --> 02:05:10,239
uh orion adventures who has been digging

3280
02:05:16,149 --> 02:05:11,920
into the

3281
02:05:17,750 --> 02:05:16,159
angelique case and hasn't so far really

3282
02:05:19,350 --> 02:05:17,760
um

3283
02:05:21,189 --> 02:05:19,360
he hasn't spilled the beans on what he

3284
02:05:22,709 --> 02:05:21,199
found and tomorrow i'm hopeful that he's

3285
02:05:24,390 --> 02:05:22,719
going to be here spilling some of those

3286
02:05:26,149 --> 02:05:24,400
beans

3287
02:05:28,550 --> 02:05:26,159
apparently he's been in contact with

3288
02:05:30,470 --> 02:05:28,560
this wayne he's been to the property

3289
02:05:32,069 --> 02:05:30,480
talked to wayne and has a great deal of

3290
02:05:34,790 --> 02:05:32,079
information to share which may

3291
02:05:36,550 --> 02:05:34,800
contradict much of what this anjali has

3292
02:05:38,950 --> 02:05:36,560
been telling the public for some time

3293
02:05:44,229 --> 02:05:41,589
i want to make it clear that i

3294
02:05:46,310 --> 02:05:44,239
feel like we have to

3295
02:05:48,950 --> 02:05:46,320
we have to follow the facts of the case

3296
02:05:51,350 --> 02:05:48,960
so if if there is evidence that refutes

3297
02:05:52,870 --> 02:05:51,360
uh some of the things that this

3298
02:05:54,310 --> 02:05:52,880
miss angeli

3299
02:05:56,790 --> 02:05:54,320
has been saying

3300
02:05:58,870 --> 02:05:56,800
um then we want to hear both sides of

3301
02:06:01,350 --> 02:05:58,880
the argument and let people make up

3302
02:06:02,550 --> 02:06:01,360
their mind we'll also be having a panel

3303
02:06:05,189 --> 02:06:02,560
discussion

3304
02:06:07,510 --> 02:06:05,199
so far we've got scott brown ryan and a

3305
02:06:10,069 --> 02:06:07,520
few other people uh that have been

3306
02:06:11,350 --> 02:06:10,079
following the case very closely since it

3307
02:06:12,390 --> 02:06:11,360
began

3308
02:06:14,709 --> 02:06:12,400
and

3309
02:06:16,310 --> 02:06:14,719
we're going to have a very good panel

3310
02:06:18,470 --> 02:06:16,320
discussion i'm just going to share my

3311
02:06:20,470 --> 02:06:18,480
screen here we're going to have a great

3312
02:06:24,790 --> 02:06:20,480
panel discussion

3313
02:06:26,629 --> 02:06:24,800
tomorrow night 9 pm it is the angeli and

3314
02:06:28,550 --> 02:06:26,639
update show

3315
02:06:30,390 --> 02:06:28,560
so we're going to have lots of different

3316
02:06:32,709 --> 02:06:30,400
perspectives here if you would like to

3317
02:06:36,629 --> 02:06:32,719
be on the panel show

3318
02:06:37,589 --> 02:06:36,639
please do not hesitate contact me on

3319
02:06:39,830 --> 02:06:37,599
twitter

3320
02:06:41,669 --> 02:06:39,840
it's at stephen campion please remember

3321
02:06:43,430 --> 02:06:41,679
to follow me on twitter it's at

3322
02:06:45,669 --> 02:06:43,440
stevencambian

3323
02:06:47,270 --> 02:06:45,679
also uh you could email me at

3324
02:06:49,750 --> 02:06:47,280
truthseekershow

3325
02:06:51,189 --> 02:06:49,760
gmail.com

3326
02:06:56,629 --> 02:06:51,199
and

3327
02:06:59,669 --> 02:06:56,639
welcome to be here on the panel

3328
02:07:01,270 --> 02:06:59,679
regarding this update on anjali i'm

3329
02:07:03,350 --> 02:07:01,280
hoping to get a few more people we'd

3330
02:07:04,629 --> 02:07:03,360
like to have a lot of different people's

3331
02:07:06,470 --> 02:07:04,639
perspectives

3332
02:07:07,189 --> 02:07:06,480
i'm inviting uh

3333
02:07:08,950 --> 02:07:07,199
uh

3334
02:07:11,510 --> 02:07:08,960
rich from goof on but he may have his

3335
02:07:14,390 --> 02:07:11,520
own show to do at the same time

3336
02:07:17,910 --> 02:07:14,400
i'm also inviting uh jeremy

3337
02:07:20,470 --> 02:07:17,920
uh rise alien scientist um

3338
02:07:23,030 --> 02:07:20,480
and just another note uh some people

3339
02:07:25,030 --> 02:07:23,040
have messaged me about the ian uh

3340
02:07:27,270 --> 02:07:25,040
crossland interview which got postponed

3341
02:07:29,350 --> 02:07:27,280
and it would appear that tim poole who

3342
02:07:31,189 --> 02:07:29,360
he lives with came down with covid from

3343
02:07:32,870 --> 02:07:31,199
what i'm hearing on twitter so that may

3344
02:07:36,149 --> 02:07:32,880
be why he had to cancel at the last

3345
02:07:39,189 --> 02:07:36,159
minute now we wish uh both ian crossland

3346
02:07:40,950 --> 02:07:39,199
and mr tim poole

3347
02:07:42,790 --> 02:07:40,960
you know health and happiness we hope

3348
02:07:45,109 --> 02:07:42,800
those guys are doing well

3349
02:07:46,550 --> 02:07:45,119
um and i'm going to be in contact with

3350
02:07:48,149 --> 02:07:46,560
mr crossland we're going to try to

3351
02:07:50,470 --> 02:07:48,159
reschedule that for some time in the

3352
02:07:51,990 --> 02:07:50,480
next couple of weeks and

3353
02:07:53,350 --> 02:07:52,000
and i apologize for those who are

3354
02:07:55,030 --> 02:07:53,360
disappointed with the last minute

3355
02:07:56,629 --> 02:07:55,040
cancellation but these things happen

3356
02:07:58,390 --> 02:07:56,639
especially in

3357
02:08:00,310 --> 02:07:58,400
considering the current health crisis

3358
02:08:02,550 --> 02:08:00,320
and things like that

3359
02:08:06,390 --> 02:08:02,560
mr tim poole canceled most of his shows

3360
02:08:08,550 --> 02:08:06,400
this week as i i believe

3361
02:08:10,149 --> 02:08:08,560
he had a pretty serious case of covid uh

3362
02:08:12,629 --> 02:08:10,159
but is luckily

3363
02:08:14,310 --> 02:08:12,639
uh treated with uh well i'm not gonna

3364
02:08:16,550 --> 02:08:14,320
get into that youtube doesn't like

3365
02:08:19,270 --> 02:08:16,560
anybody talking about these matters but

3366
02:08:21,430 --> 02:08:19,280
he received excellent medical treatment

3367
02:08:22,550 --> 02:08:21,440
and is doing very well which we're glad

3368
02:08:25,350 --> 02:08:22,560
to hear

3369
02:08:27,189 --> 02:08:25,360
and uh we hope mr crosslin is you know

3370
02:08:29,430 --> 02:08:27,199
healthy as well

3371
02:08:31,109 --> 02:08:29,440
um and that will be rescheduled you know

3372
02:08:33,270 --> 02:08:31,119
these things happen you gotta roll with

3373
02:08:34,709 --> 02:08:33,280
the punches here so that's really what

3374
02:08:37,350 --> 02:08:34,719
we're trying to do

3375
02:08:39,350 --> 02:08:37,360
is roll on with the punches here

3376
02:08:42,069 --> 02:08:39,360
um

3377
02:08:44,709 --> 02:08:42,079
also i am aware that people are emailing

3378
02:08:46,310 --> 02:08:44,719
me that this show host said this or this

3379
02:08:48,629 --> 02:08:46,320
show host said that

3380
02:08:50,069 --> 02:08:48,639
and i just want to tell you i'm aware of

3381
02:08:55,510 --> 02:08:50,079
some of the chatter out there but i'm

3382
02:08:59,589 --> 02:08:57,350
to be worried

3383
02:09:01,030 --> 02:08:59,599
about what any

3384
02:09:02,149 --> 02:09:01,040
people are saying

3385
02:09:04,470 --> 02:09:02,159
now

3386
02:09:07,030 --> 02:09:04,480
it is getting kind of ridiculous

3387
02:09:10,470 --> 02:09:07,040
um i think we have one show

3388
02:09:13,270 --> 02:09:10,480
is up to 32 hours of coverage i call

3389
02:09:14,149 --> 02:09:13,280
critiquing cambian

3390
02:09:16,149 --> 02:09:14,159
friends

3391
02:09:18,149 --> 02:09:16,159
um the gist of their argument is that

3392
02:09:19,270 --> 02:09:18,159
i'm a sellout and i've had guests they

3393
02:09:21,589 --> 02:09:19,280
don't like

3394
02:09:25,270 --> 02:09:21,599
now i just said that in 10 seconds but

3395
02:09:28,470 --> 02:09:25,280
somehow it took these guys 32 hours

3396
02:09:31,589 --> 02:09:28,480
of coverage critiquing campion

3397
02:09:34,069 --> 02:09:31,599
to explain to people all of my many and

3398
02:09:36,629 --> 02:09:34,079
varied sins and why nobody should

3399
02:09:39,589 --> 02:09:36,639
support me nobody should listen to me

3400
02:09:41,510 --> 02:09:39,599
anymore because i sold out and i had

3401
02:09:43,189 --> 02:09:41,520
guests that they don't like that i

3402
02:09:44,950 --> 02:09:43,199
shouldn't have had

3403
02:09:46,470 --> 02:09:44,960
and now they've even moved on to

3404
02:09:48,470 --> 02:09:46,480
apparently

3405
02:09:50,229 --> 02:09:48,480
their psychics themselves because

3406
02:09:53,430 --> 02:09:50,239
they're telling their audience what i

3407
02:09:55,830 --> 02:09:53,440
would do if for example david wilcock

3408
02:09:57,189 --> 02:09:55,840
had some of the guests that i've had or

3409
02:09:57,990 --> 02:09:57,199
what i would do

3410
02:09:59,990 --> 02:09:58,000
if

3411
02:10:02,149 --> 02:10:00,000
david wilcox said some of the things

3412
02:10:04,709 --> 02:10:02,159
that my guests had even attacking

3413
02:10:05,750 --> 02:10:04,719
yesterday's guest uh who happens to be

3414
02:10:08,470 --> 02:10:05,760
one of the

3415
02:10:10,629 --> 02:10:08,480
most successful ghost hunters and

3416
02:10:12,870 --> 02:10:10,639
in-demand personalities in that

3417
02:10:15,990 --> 02:10:12,880
community in the world today she's at

3418
02:10:18,629 --> 02:10:16,000
all the conferences as a paid speaker

3419
02:10:21,669 --> 02:10:18,639
um she's a movie star

3420
02:10:25,189 --> 02:10:21,679
and uh but somehow you know this isn't

3421
02:10:27,350 --> 02:10:25,199
about jealousy right this isn't about

3422
02:10:29,750 --> 02:10:27,360
anything other than me being a sellout

3423
02:10:31,830 --> 02:10:29,760
right and by the way

3424
02:10:34,310 --> 02:10:31,840
the same guest that we had yesterday was

3425
02:10:36,069 --> 02:10:34,320
on my show more than a year ago and

3426
02:10:38,069 --> 02:10:36,079
those guys said nothing

3427
02:10:39,669 --> 02:10:38,079
they had nothing negative to say but now

3428
02:10:42,709 --> 02:10:39,679
all of a sudden

3429
02:10:44,629 --> 02:10:42,719
she's evil male and and why would i have

3430
02:10:46,709 --> 02:10:44,639
her on my show

3431
02:10:47,750 --> 02:10:46,719
you know these things are childish and

3432
02:10:50,229 --> 02:10:47,760
stupid

3433
02:10:52,709 --> 02:10:50,239
and anybody attempting to turn people

3434
02:10:56,310 --> 02:10:52,719
against me or away from me

3435
02:10:57,270 --> 02:10:56,320
i cut out of my life like a cancer um

3436
02:10:58,950 --> 02:10:57,280
you know

3437
02:11:01,430 --> 02:10:58,960
people are going to talk

3438
02:11:03,189 --> 02:11:01,440
i can't do anything but forgive them and

3439
02:11:04,709 --> 02:11:03,199
hope that they find better things to do

3440
02:11:08,550 --> 02:11:04,719
with their time

3441
02:11:11,030 --> 02:11:08,560
than produce 32 hours so far i think

3442
02:11:13,109 --> 02:11:11,040
it's 32 i don't know i have like the

3443
02:11:16,310 --> 02:11:13,119
counter and the notes of like okay this

3444
02:11:20,709 --> 02:11:16,320
show was two hours crying about me this

3445
02:11:22,709 --> 02:11:20,719
one was an hour crying about me

3446
02:11:25,030 --> 02:11:22,719
it just gets

3447
02:11:28,149 --> 02:11:25,040
ridiculous like really you're gonna

3448
02:11:31,990 --> 02:11:28,159
dedicate 32 hours of your life that's a

3449
02:11:33,830 --> 02:11:32,000
full on more than a day of your life

3450
02:11:34,950 --> 02:11:33,840
crying about me

3451
02:11:36,790 --> 02:11:34,960
now my

3452
02:11:39,750 --> 02:11:36,800
what i'm gonna do is pray that those

3453
02:11:41,109 --> 02:11:39,760
guys just stop crying and start working

3454
02:11:43,669 --> 02:11:41,119
on their own show

3455
02:11:45,189 --> 02:11:43,679
because all of this is about

3456
02:11:47,750 --> 02:11:45,199
bitter angry

3457
02:11:50,950 --> 02:11:47,760
jealousy that's what it is green with

3458
02:11:53,030 --> 02:11:50,960
envy can't stand to see me do it so well

3459
02:11:54,950 --> 02:11:53,040
and i gotta tell you folks

3460
02:11:57,510 --> 02:11:54,960
even though i'm i am kind of sick right

3461
02:12:00,310 --> 02:11:57,520
now i've got a cold and a terrible sore

3462
02:12:02,950 --> 02:12:00,320
throat um but i'm still

3463
02:12:05,109 --> 02:12:02,960
looking good smelling good and feeling

3464
02:12:07,109 --> 02:12:05,119
good i'm feeling great about the show

3465
02:12:09,189 --> 02:12:07,119
and the future of our show we've just

3466
02:12:11,910 --> 02:12:09,199
begun and you know

3467
02:12:14,229 --> 02:12:11,920
i'm not gonna worry about what somebody

3468
02:12:17,270 --> 02:12:14,239
that's been failing at this for almost a

3469
02:12:19,990 --> 02:12:17,280
decade is saying about my show which is

3470
02:12:22,629 --> 02:12:20,000
successful or most people would argue is

3471
02:12:24,229 --> 02:12:22,639
successful and continues to become more

3472
02:12:26,069 --> 02:12:24,239
and more successful

3473
02:12:27,589 --> 02:12:26,079
i'm not going to worry about it and

3474
02:12:29,910 --> 02:12:27,599
there's a couple other ankle biting

3475
02:12:32,790 --> 02:12:29,920
idiots out there throwing their digs

3476
02:12:34,390 --> 02:12:32,800
once a while not to the tune of 32 hours

3477
02:12:36,229 --> 02:12:34,400
you know some other show hosts will do

3478
02:12:37,750 --> 02:12:36,239
like one show about me every couple of

3479
02:12:38,470 --> 02:12:37,760
weeks crying

3480
02:12:41,669 --> 02:12:38,480
and

3481
02:12:45,750 --> 02:12:41,679
i just gotta say i love it i i live on

3482
02:12:50,149 --> 02:12:45,760
the tears of these guys these cry babies

3483
02:12:51,830 --> 02:12:50,159
keep crying i love it every time i hear

3484
02:12:54,870 --> 02:12:51,840
that somebody's doing a two-hour show

3485
02:12:56,790 --> 02:12:54,880
crying about me i i love it i i don't

3486
02:12:59,430 --> 02:12:56,800
listen to it because i don't have time

3487
02:13:01,669 --> 02:12:59,440
to listen to some guy cry about me

3488
02:13:03,589 --> 02:13:01,679
and everything i'm doing wrong could you

3489
02:13:05,990 --> 02:13:03,599
imagine

3490
02:13:08,550 --> 02:13:06,000
somebody sitting there for 32 hours

3491
02:13:10,069 --> 02:13:08,560
complaining about everything i've done

3492
02:13:13,189 --> 02:13:10,079
wrong on my show

3493
02:13:15,910 --> 02:13:13,199
all the sinful things i've done all the

3494
02:13:16,709 --> 02:13:15,920
selling out all the terrible things i've

3495
02:13:20,310 --> 02:13:16,719
done

3496
02:13:26,790 --> 02:13:20,320
oh they need 32 hours to try to turn

3497
02:13:30,870 --> 02:13:28,709
and yeah somebody may be giving hints in

3498
02:13:33,510 --> 02:13:30,880
the live chat and then there's a few

3499
02:13:35,910 --> 02:13:33,520
others you know and uh you know like i

3500
02:13:37,430 --> 02:13:35,920
said before though uh

3501
02:13:39,270 --> 02:13:37,440
one of these shows had a meltdown

3502
02:13:40,550 --> 02:13:39,280
thinking some tweet was about them when

3503
02:13:43,109 --> 02:13:40,560
it was really about the other ankle

3504
02:13:45,510 --> 02:13:43,119
biting idiots that had just made a show

3505
02:13:48,950 --> 02:13:45,520
crying about me supporting women in

3506
02:13:51,189 --> 02:13:48,960
ufology uh sorry not sorry i support

3507
02:13:53,510 --> 02:13:51,199
everybody having a voice in this thing

3508
02:13:55,189 --> 02:13:53,520
including women you know and i got

3509
02:13:57,109 --> 02:13:55,199
attacked viciously by some other show

3510
02:13:59,350 --> 02:13:57,119
host so i tweeted something

3511
02:14:01,109 --> 02:13:59,360
uh and somebody thought it was about

3512
02:14:03,750 --> 02:14:01,119
them because of course it must be about

3513
02:14:06,950 --> 02:14:03,760
them right not about anybody else

3514
02:14:09,270 --> 02:14:06,960
lisa m says uh say get a life yeah 32

3515
02:14:11,030 --> 02:14:09,280
hours wow man i think they're in love

3516
02:14:13,510 --> 02:14:11,040
with me that's what i think it is i

3517
02:14:15,589 --> 02:14:13,520
think that they're in love with me

3518
02:14:18,069 --> 02:14:15,599
and like spurned lovers because i won't

3519
02:14:20,149 --> 02:14:18,079
bang them and and you know

3520
02:14:20,950 --> 02:14:20,159
i'm married sorry if you're in love with

3521
02:14:28,149 --> 02:14:20,960
me

3522
02:14:30,390 --> 02:14:28,159
spent on the first and second

3523
02:14:32,390 --> 02:14:30,400
impeachment trial prosecution of donald

3524
02:14:33,669 --> 02:14:32,400
trump well there's some perspective mr

3525
02:14:35,350 --> 02:14:33,679
art levine

3526
02:14:39,350 --> 02:14:35,360
uh some guys

3527
02:14:40,790 --> 02:14:39,360
did 32 hours of shows about me crying

3528
02:14:43,109 --> 02:14:40,800
right

3529
02:14:46,390 --> 02:14:43,119
uh yeah lee guy says don't forget

3530
02:14:48,550 --> 02:14:46,400
stephen you are our favorite douche yeah

3531
02:14:49,750 --> 02:14:48,560
yeah i definitely am

3532
02:14:51,750 --> 02:14:49,760
and uh

3533
02:14:55,030 --> 02:14:51,760
yeah

3534
02:14:57,109 --> 02:14:55,040
i guess a final note that i would say is

3535
02:14:59,350 --> 02:14:57,119
another friend of mine

3536
02:15:00,790 --> 02:14:59,360
and he's well known in conspiracy

3537
02:15:02,149 --> 02:15:00,800
circles but i'm not going to name him

3538
02:15:04,709 --> 02:15:02,159
because it was a private conversation

3539
02:15:07,750 --> 02:15:04,719
but he won't mind me sharing

3540
02:15:09,750 --> 02:15:07,760
an idea that he was expressing so

3541
02:15:11,669 --> 02:15:09,760
somebody expressed to me this idea that

3542
02:15:13,669 --> 02:15:11,679
maybe you're too harsh on people stephen

3543
02:15:15,910 --> 02:15:13,679
because after all if people make a

3544
02:15:18,229 --> 02:15:15,920
mistake that doesn't define their entire

3545
02:15:20,390 --> 02:15:18,239
life but i think we've been very fair in

3546
02:15:22,470 --> 02:15:20,400
our coverage and i have never

3547
02:15:25,669 --> 02:15:22,480
really went after somebody that made one

3548
02:15:27,990 --> 02:15:25,679
mistake and then you know uh found their

3549
02:15:30,870 --> 02:15:28,000
road to redemption and became

3550
02:15:32,709 --> 02:15:30,880
a force for good after making a mistake

3551
02:15:35,109 --> 02:15:32,719
i believe in a road for redemption for

3552
02:15:38,149 --> 02:15:35,119
all men but most of the people that we

3553
02:15:40,629 --> 02:15:38,159
attack that are con artists and scamming

3554
02:15:42,790 --> 02:15:40,639
people they haven't done it once they've

3555
02:15:46,870 --> 02:15:42,800
they did it once and then they got away

3556
02:15:47,750 --> 02:15:46,880
with it and they keep on doing it right

3557
02:15:49,270 --> 02:15:47,760
so

3558
02:15:50,470 --> 02:15:49,280
you know i think i've been very fair my

3559
02:15:52,390 --> 02:15:50,480
coverage and

3560
02:15:54,229 --> 02:15:52,400
and a rule going forward for me is going

3561
02:15:56,550 --> 02:15:54,239
to be i'm not going to nitpick if

3562
02:15:58,870 --> 02:15:56,560
somebody makes a mistake because i've

3563
02:16:01,910 --> 02:15:58,880
made mistakes as well right i'm not

3564
02:16:04,550 --> 02:16:01,920
scamming anybody i'm not selling fake

3565
02:16:06,069 --> 02:16:04,560
stories or fake garbage or fake products

3566
02:16:08,310 --> 02:16:06,079
that don't work

3567
02:16:09,750 --> 02:16:08,320
right even though some other show hosts

3568
02:16:10,870 --> 02:16:09,760
are crying that i'm just like these

3569
02:16:11,990 --> 02:16:10,880
other people

3570
02:16:14,229 --> 02:16:12,000
whatever

3571
02:16:15,990 --> 02:16:14,239
uh yeah so i guess our policy going

3572
02:16:18,149 --> 02:16:16,000
forward is you know yeah if somebody

3573
02:16:19,990 --> 02:16:18,159
makes a mistake

3574
02:16:21,750 --> 02:16:20,000
even if i can you know

3575
02:16:25,430 --> 02:16:21,760
hammer them for that mistake and they

3576
02:16:27,189 --> 02:16:25,440
made a really bad mistake if they truly

3577
02:16:29,189 --> 02:16:27,199
uh are sorry for their mistake and

3578
02:16:31,350 --> 02:16:29,199
they've moved on with their lives i'm

3579
02:16:33,830 --> 02:16:31,360
not gonna i'm not gonna hammer them and

3580
02:16:35,669 --> 02:16:33,840
and we've seen this with some people

3581
02:16:36,950 --> 02:16:35,679
that have made mistakes

3582
02:16:39,509 --> 02:16:36,960
you know

3583
02:16:42,549 --> 02:16:39,519
the best example that i could give is uh

3584
02:16:44,469 --> 02:16:42,559
i guess tyler from secure team 10. he he

3585
02:16:47,030 --> 02:16:44,479
made a lot of mistakes he said a lot of

3586
02:16:49,270 --> 02:16:47,040
stupid things and then people sent me

3587
02:16:51,270 --> 02:16:49,280
the dash cam footage of the police when

3588
02:16:52,549 --> 02:16:51,280
he got a dui arrest now i almost ran

3589
02:16:54,309 --> 02:16:52,559
with that story

3590
02:16:56,389 --> 02:16:54,319
but then i thought

3591
02:16:59,030 --> 02:16:56,399
i i've never driven drunk but i've sure

3592
02:17:03,509 --> 02:16:59,040
done stupid things drunk so

3593
02:17:05,589 --> 02:17:03,519
uh i i don't know that i should you know

3594
02:17:07,830 --> 02:17:05,599
be critical of him because he's human he

3595
02:17:09,990 --> 02:17:07,840
made a mistake and i hope that he learns

3596
02:17:11,429 --> 02:17:10,000
from his mistake and moves forward and

3597
02:17:12,790 --> 02:17:11,439
turns out i made the right decision

3598
02:17:13,589 --> 02:17:12,800
because no matter what you think of the

3599
02:17:15,110 --> 02:17:13,599
guy

3600
02:17:16,790 --> 02:17:15,120
he made mistakes

3601
02:17:18,950 --> 02:17:16,800
and he's trying to clean up his life

3602
02:17:22,709 --> 02:17:18,960
he's trying to do better now last i

3603
02:17:23,990 --> 02:17:22,719
heard he is doing better now so

3604
02:17:26,389 --> 02:17:24,000
there's that

3605
02:17:28,709 --> 02:17:26,399
uh most of the people that we go after

3606
02:17:31,030 --> 02:17:28,719
are people who are repeat offending

3607
02:17:33,349 --> 02:17:31,040
scammers they haven't done one thing

3608
02:17:35,589 --> 02:17:33,359
wrong they've done a lot of things wrong

3609
02:17:37,910 --> 02:17:35,599
they don't apologize for it and they

3610
02:17:40,549 --> 02:17:37,920
keep on scamming people

3611
02:17:43,270 --> 02:17:40,559
those people are worthy of being

3612
02:17:44,790 --> 02:17:43,280
critical of

3613
02:17:46,389 --> 02:17:44,800
uh

3614
02:17:48,469 --> 02:17:46,399
yeah patrick sheehan says raise your

3615
02:17:51,270 --> 02:17:48,479
hand if you have done stupid drunk stuff

3616
02:17:52,870 --> 02:17:51,280
yeah that's pretty much where we're at

3617
02:17:54,549 --> 02:17:52,880
i'm gonna check in one last time and

3618
02:17:57,190 --> 02:17:54,559
make sure i did not miss any of the

3619
02:17:59,349 --> 02:17:57,200
super chats uh and remind you that this

3620
02:18:01,910 --> 02:17:59,359
is a viewer supported show there is a

3621
02:18:03,830 --> 02:18:01,920
money button down there in the live chat

3622
02:18:06,389 --> 02:18:03,840
if you want to throw money at me

3623
02:18:07,270 --> 02:18:06,399
uh it all goes to the show we've seen

3624
02:18:11,030 --> 02:18:07,280
this

3625
02:18:13,750 --> 02:18:11,040
uh new set which i'm very proud of i uh

3626
02:18:15,190 --> 02:18:13,760
i've been working on this all week right

3627
02:18:17,910 --> 02:18:15,200
and

3628
02:18:20,150 --> 02:18:17,920
i think that uh this is gonna be great

3629
02:18:21,669 --> 02:18:20,160
and it also what you can see on this

3630
02:18:22,950 --> 02:18:21,679
side is that

3631
02:18:27,190 --> 02:18:22,960
um

3632
02:18:29,349 --> 02:18:27,200
i've got an another camera and uh

3633
02:18:31,429 --> 02:18:29,359
and side cameras as well but i'm a

3634
02:18:33,110 --> 02:18:31,439
little leery of you know testing all

3635
02:18:35,190 --> 02:18:33,120
this live on air so i'm going to do some

3636
02:18:36,870 --> 02:18:35,200
more testing before we put that in but

3637
02:18:39,750 --> 02:18:36,880
soon we're going to be able to have real

3638
02:18:40,709 --> 02:18:39,760
guests right here in the studio with me

3639
02:18:44,389 --> 02:18:40,719
and

3640
02:18:45,990 --> 02:18:44,399
like that all of this was generously

3641
02:18:48,950 --> 02:18:46,000
provided by

3642
02:18:50,950 --> 02:18:48,960
people uh throwing money at me right

3643
02:18:54,549 --> 02:18:50,960
people who believe in what we're doing

3644
02:18:57,190 --> 02:18:54,559
here and want to see the show succeed

3645
02:18:59,429 --> 02:18:57,200
and uh for those being critical

3646
02:19:02,070 --> 02:18:59,439
uh that i'm making money here and

3647
02:19:04,549 --> 02:19:02,080
calling me a sellout because they're not

3648
02:19:06,309 --> 02:19:04,559
making any money

3649
02:19:09,030 --> 02:19:06,319
you know show me on this doll where

3650
02:19:12,150 --> 02:19:09,040
stephen can be and hurt you

3651
02:19:14,870 --> 02:19:12,160
keep crying um for those people crying

3652
02:19:17,270 --> 02:19:14,880
and complaining all my shows all this

3653
02:19:18,709 --> 02:19:17,280
content will always be free

3654
02:19:20,629 --> 02:19:18,719
now you might have to sit through an ad

3655
02:19:23,589 --> 02:19:20,639
or skip an ad if you want to watch for

3656
02:19:25,429 --> 02:19:23,599
free but anybody that wants to watch or

3657
02:19:28,709 --> 02:19:25,439
listen to all of the content that i

3658
02:19:30,870 --> 02:19:28,719
create it will always be free

3659
02:19:32,870 --> 02:19:30,880
if people choose to support me they can

3660
02:19:34,709 --> 02:19:32,880
send a couple of bucks they can sign up

3661
02:19:37,270 --> 02:19:34,719
for a paypal for as little as a dollar a

3662
02:19:39,830 --> 02:19:37,280
month and get extra content that isn't

3663
02:19:41,589 --> 02:19:39,840
free right but even that's free because

3664
02:19:43,429 --> 02:19:41,599
i've said it time and time again and you

3665
02:19:44,870 --> 02:19:43,439
people know that i say this if you're

3666
02:19:46,950 --> 02:19:44,880
really a big fan of the show and you're

3667
02:19:49,670 --> 02:19:46,960
having a tough time and you would like

3668
02:19:51,990 --> 02:19:49,680
to receive those paypal benefits or

3669
02:19:54,309 --> 02:19:52,000
excuse me patreon benefits and you're

3670
02:19:55,590 --> 02:19:54,319
having a tough time it's it's not a big

3671
02:19:57,910 --> 02:19:55,600
deal just send me an email

3672
02:19:59,349 --> 02:19:57,920
truthseekershow.gmail.com

3673
02:20:01,190 --> 02:19:59,359
i know a lot of people are in reduced

3674
02:20:03,750 --> 02:20:01,200
circumstances and i wouldn't want to

3675
02:20:05,510 --> 02:20:03,760
hold that extra content back from

3676
02:20:07,510 --> 02:20:05,520
somebody who would really enjoy it just

3677
02:20:09,870 --> 02:20:07,520
because they're short of a dollar or

3678
02:20:11,590 --> 02:20:09,880
more a month so just email me at

3679
02:20:13,110 --> 02:20:11,600
truthseekershow.gmail.com i give it away

3680
02:20:15,750 --> 02:20:13,120
for free i keep a spreadsheet of those

3681
02:20:17,590 --> 02:20:15,760
people some of them their situations

3682
02:20:20,469 --> 02:20:17,600
have improved and they later gave me the

3683
02:20:22,550 --> 02:20:20,479
dollar with great thanks for me helping

3684
02:20:23,990 --> 02:20:22,560
them during a difficult time we're all

3685
02:20:26,389 --> 02:20:24,000
having a difficult time if i can help

3686
02:20:27,990 --> 02:20:26,399
any one of you i would do that i'm not

3687
02:20:29,990 --> 02:20:28,000
big on putting anything behind a pay

3688
02:20:33,030 --> 02:20:30,000
wall but the dollar a month just helps

3689
02:20:35,190 --> 02:20:33,040
us with some of our expenses here

3690
02:20:37,510 --> 02:20:35,200
and the patreon money really pays the

3691
02:20:39,270 --> 02:20:37,520
show's bills we have stream yard bills

3692
02:20:41,349 --> 02:20:39,280
every month we have bills for spreaker

3693
02:20:43,510 --> 02:20:41,359
to put together to distribute the audio

3694
02:20:44,710 --> 02:20:43,520
podcast that's what i use the patreon

3695
02:20:45,910 --> 02:20:44,720
money for

3696
02:20:48,870 --> 02:20:45,920
um

3697
02:20:50,469 --> 02:20:48,880
so and finally uh you could buy me a

3698
02:20:52,550 --> 02:20:50,479
coffee there's links in the description

3699
02:20:55,110 --> 02:20:52,560
and kari helps with the show here

3700
02:20:56,309 --> 02:20:55,120
there's a link to buy kari a coffee in

3701
02:20:59,190 --> 02:20:56,319
the description

3702
02:21:02,070 --> 02:20:59,200
box below and i'm going to check in it

3703
02:21:03,429 --> 02:21:02,080
looks like we did read all of the super

3704
02:21:05,030 --> 02:21:03,439
chats tonight but i'm going to check in

3705
02:21:06,150 --> 02:21:05,040
with the paypal and make sure that we

3706
02:21:07,910 --> 02:21:06,160
haven't gotten

3707
02:21:09,510 --> 02:21:07,920
that's another thing you can do is to

3708
02:21:11,110 --> 02:21:09,520
throw me a couple of bucks throw a

3709
02:21:13,510 --> 02:21:11,120
couple bucks in our hat

3710
02:21:15,429 --> 02:21:13,520
we can take a paypal donation

3711
02:21:17,510 --> 02:21:15,439
uh and i do encourage you if you're

3712
02:21:19,429 --> 02:21:17,520
going to send a large amount to either

3713
02:21:20,389 --> 02:21:19,439
send it through buy me a coffee or

3714
02:21:22,790 --> 02:21:20,399
through

3715
02:21:25,349 --> 02:21:22,800
paypal because then uh we're not giving

3716
02:21:27,349 --> 02:21:25,359
up 30 of it there's uh

3717
02:21:29,190 --> 02:21:27,359
you know the big chunk youtube takes to

3718
02:21:31,670 --> 02:21:29,200
those super chats so

3719
02:21:33,910 --> 02:21:31,680
yeah i don't see any new paypal

3720
02:21:36,230 --> 02:21:33,920
donations so we're all caught up on

3721
02:21:39,510 --> 02:21:36,240
calling things out also

3722
02:21:42,550 --> 02:21:39,520
a few people have mentioned that we are

3723
02:21:44,550 --> 02:21:42,560
a little bit behind on the audio podcast

3724
02:21:46,710 --> 02:21:44,560
i've been feeling very under the weather

3725
02:21:48,710 --> 02:21:46,720
uh you guys know that and and thanks to

3726
02:21:50,469 --> 02:21:48,720
all who reached out to me it's not coved

3727
02:21:52,870 --> 02:21:50,479
near as i can tell because my wife has

3728
02:21:55,349 --> 02:21:52,880
virtually the same cold and she got

3729
02:21:58,790 --> 02:21:55,359
tested for covid she has to for work

3730
02:22:01,590 --> 02:21:58,800
and it's definitely not uh

3731
02:22:03,590 --> 02:22:01,600
oh and we have people in the live chat

3732
02:22:05,270 --> 02:22:03,600
that are crying you're gonna cry in my

3733
02:22:08,230 --> 02:22:05,280
live chat too

3734
02:22:10,710 --> 02:22:08,240
oh wow crying my live chat i love it

3735
02:22:13,750 --> 02:22:10,720
come on my live chat and cry come on my

3736
02:22:18,630 --> 02:22:16,469
no uh you're not welcome in my live chat

3737
02:22:20,550 --> 02:22:18,640
until you apologize for all the lies

3738
02:22:22,630 --> 02:22:20,560
that you've spewed about me

3739
02:22:24,790 --> 02:22:22,640
so what we're going to do is until

3740
02:22:26,230 --> 02:22:24,800
you're man enough to apologize and i can

3741
02:22:31,190 --> 02:22:26,240
point out

3742
02:22:33,750 --> 02:22:31,200
lies that you have straight said to

3743
02:22:35,910 --> 02:22:33,760
people until you apologize for putting

3744
02:22:38,150 --> 02:22:35,920
words in my mouth i never said you're

3745
02:22:40,389 --> 02:22:38,160
not welcome either in my live chat or

3746
02:22:42,389 --> 02:22:40,399
anywhere else in my life

3747
02:22:44,710 --> 02:22:42,399
you know and you can cry and say we'll

3748
02:22:46,309 --> 02:22:44,720
call on your show cause i'm afraid

3749
02:22:51,190 --> 02:22:46,319
uh

3750
02:22:54,630 --> 02:22:51,200
favor that has been trashing me for 32

3751
02:22:57,110 --> 02:22:54,640
hours straight get a life loser 32 hours

3752
02:22:58,389 --> 02:22:57,120
of your life dedicated to me you must be

3753
02:23:00,309 --> 02:22:58,399
in love with me

3754
02:23:02,630 --> 02:23:00,319
loser

3755
02:23:05,910 --> 02:23:02,640
why else would you spend 32 hours of

3756
02:23:08,230 --> 02:23:05,920
your life now i'm trying to find that uh

3757
02:23:11,030 --> 02:23:08,240
that comment but i can't now in the live

3758
02:23:12,710 --> 02:23:11,040
chat somebody must have uh

3759
02:23:16,870 --> 02:23:12,720
must have hidden it or something like

3760
02:23:22,550 --> 02:23:20,710
uh let's see oh i don't know how to uh

3761
02:23:24,870 --> 02:23:22,560
how to block you from my channel right

3762
02:23:28,070 --> 02:23:24,880
now i have to figure that out later

3763
02:23:29,429 --> 02:23:28,080
for now uh we'll mute you you don't get

3764
02:23:30,790 --> 02:23:29,439
a voice here

3765
02:23:33,590 --> 02:23:30,800
uh because

3766
02:23:36,070 --> 02:23:33,600
you're an angry bitter little man

3767
02:23:38,469 --> 02:23:36,080
an angry bitter little man that doesn't

3768
02:23:41,830 --> 02:23:38,479
deserve my attention

3769
02:23:44,870 --> 02:23:41,840
you lost that ability when you made 32

3770
02:23:48,630 --> 02:23:44,880
plus hours of content crying like a

3771
02:23:50,230 --> 02:23:48,640
little [\h__\h] about me

3772
02:23:52,389 --> 02:23:50,240
and that's where we're at that's where

3773
02:23:54,550 --> 02:23:52,399
we're at and i'm not doing anybody a

3774
02:23:56,070 --> 02:23:54,560
favor that's made 32 hours of content

3775
02:23:58,790 --> 02:23:56,080
crying about me

3776
02:24:01,190 --> 02:23:58,800
me being a guest do you have any idea

3777
02:24:02,950 --> 02:24:01,200
how many people are emailing me

3778
02:24:05,110 --> 02:24:02,960
wanting me to do a guest spot on their

3779
02:24:07,030 --> 02:24:05,120
show i'd much rather

3780
02:24:08,150 --> 02:24:07,040
dedicate my time

3781
02:24:10,389 --> 02:24:08,160
uh

3782
02:24:12,230 --> 02:24:10,399
and offer my

3783
02:24:14,230 --> 02:24:12,240
services as a guest on somebody's show

3784
02:24:16,389 --> 02:24:14,240
to somebody who's kind to me who's

3785
02:24:18,389 --> 02:24:16,399
polite to me doesn't put words on my

3786
02:24:20,230 --> 02:24:18,399
mouth and is not trying to turn audience

3787
02:24:21,110 --> 02:24:20,240
members against me because they're a

3788
02:24:23,590 --> 02:24:21,120
little

3789
02:24:26,230 --> 02:24:23,600
[\h__\h] and a failure

3790
02:24:28,710 --> 02:24:26,240
that has failed at what i am succeeding

3791
02:24:30,150 --> 02:24:28,720
at so i don't have time i don't have

3792
02:24:32,469 --> 02:24:30,160
time to help

3793
02:24:34,230 --> 02:24:32,479
anybody that makes that much

3794
02:24:36,790 --> 02:24:34,240
content crying about me and i'm not

3795
02:24:39,429 --> 02:24:36,800
going to i have i'm under no obligation

3796
02:24:41,190 --> 02:24:39,439
to help some idiot

3797
02:24:44,070 --> 02:24:41,200
and i'm not going to do it and that's

3798
02:24:46,790 --> 02:24:44,080
where we're at and i guess this thursday

3799
02:24:49,110 --> 02:24:46,800
you can go you can go cry some more for

3800
02:24:51,830 --> 02:24:49,120
another two hours and that'll be 34

3801
02:24:54,790 --> 02:24:51,840
hours do you see how ridiculous you look

3802
02:24:57,510 --> 02:24:54,800
to people people notice we're keeping a

3803
02:25:01,270 --> 02:24:57,520
tally of how many hours you've spent

3804
02:25:04,150 --> 02:25:01,280
crying about me like a little [\h__\h]

3805
02:25:06,870 --> 02:25:04,160
who does that right and who appointed

3806
02:25:08,550 --> 02:25:06,880
you my judge and my jury

3807
02:25:11,349 --> 02:25:08,560
there's only two people

3808
02:25:14,790 --> 02:25:11,359
in this world well really

3809
02:25:16,469 --> 02:25:14,800
four i suppose that i have to answer to

3810
02:25:19,429 --> 02:25:16,479
that is my wife

3811
02:25:22,230 --> 02:25:19,439
my children my two boys

3812
02:25:24,070 --> 02:25:22,240
that's three and god

3813
02:25:25,429 --> 02:25:24,080
those are the only four people i care to

3814
02:25:29,990 --> 02:25:25,439
answer to

3815
02:25:32,870 --> 02:25:30,000
and and by the way the only the only

3816
02:25:34,070 --> 02:25:32,880
judge that's qualified to judge me is

3817
02:25:36,630 --> 02:25:34,080
god

3818
02:25:39,590 --> 02:25:36,640
and i'm good i'm good you can tell you

3819
02:25:41,190 --> 02:25:39,600
can do another 34 hours crying like a

3820
02:25:44,150 --> 02:25:41,200
little [\h__\h]

3821
02:25:46,389 --> 02:25:44,160
do another 34 hours crying like a little

3822
02:25:48,389 --> 02:25:46,399
[\h__\h] about all my sins and everything

3823
02:25:52,230 --> 02:25:48,399
i've done wrong and what a terrible

3824
02:25:54,870 --> 02:25:52,240
person i am your whole show is now the

3825
02:25:55,830 --> 02:25:54,880
the cried about cambian show

3826
02:26:00,630 --> 02:25:55,840
so

3827
02:26:02,230 --> 02:26:00,640
my show you're not welcome here you're

3828
02:26:04,870 --> 02:26:02,240
not even coming to my live chat you're

3829
02:26:07,349 --> 02:26:04,880
not welcome here spewing your garbage

3830
02:26:10,469 --> 02:26:07,359
and i'm sure not going on your show

3831
02:26:12,389 --> 02:26:10,479
because you don't deserve

3832
02:26:14,630 --> 02:26:12,399
a favor from me

3833
02:26:15,830 --> 02:26:14,640
not after crying for 34 hours like a

3834
02:26:19,110 --> 02:26:15,840
little [\h__\h]

3835
02:26:21,670 --> 02:26:19,120
right who does that 34 hours you had to

3836
02:26:24,150 --> 02:26:21,680
take 34 hours of your life to tell

3837
02:26:26,710 --> 02:26:24,160
people all these things that i've done

3838
02:26:29,429 --> 02:26:26,720
wrong and what a terrible person i am

3839
02:26:32,389 --> 02:26:29,439
and how nobody should listen to me

3840
02:26:35,190 --> 02:26:32,399
right because i'm a sellout or i had and

3841
02:26:36,630 --> 02:26:35,200
all that boils down to this i'm a seller

3842
02:26:37,990 --> 02:26:36,640
which basically means they're jealous

3843
02:26:40,469 --> 02:26:38,000
because i've made money at this and

3844
02:26:42,469 --> 02:26:40,479
they've made nothing in eight years

3845
02:26:45,910 --> 02:26:42,479
and let's see what what is what is the

3846
02:26:48,389 --> 02:26:45,920
other grievances oh i've had guests on

3847
02:26:49,990 --> 02:26:48,399
that they disagreed with me hosting

3848
02:26:51,750 --> 02:26:50,000
well uh

3849
02:26:53,590 --> 02:26:51,760
you're free to have any guests on your

3850
02:26:55,510 --> 02:26:53,600
show that you want and i don't care what

3851
02:26:57,510 --> 02:26:55,520
guests i support your right to have any

3852
02:26:59,190 --> 02:26:57,520
guest you want on your show but instead

3853
02:27:01,910 --> 02:26:59,200
of supporting my right to make those

3854
02:27:04,389 --> 02:27:01,920
decisions you're gonna cry every week

3855
02:27:06,389 --> 02:27:04,399
for two to what six hours are we are we

3856
02:27:07,910 --> 02:27:06,399
pumping up the level now we're gonna

3857
02:27:09,510 --> 02:27:07,920
because i know they're gonna go do this

3858
02:27:11,510 --> 02:27:09,520
right now tonight there'll be another

3859
02:27:14,070 --> 02:27:11,520
two hours about me maybe thursday

3860
02:27:16,230 --> 02:27:14,080
there'll be another two hours crying

3861
02:27:19,750 --> 02:27:16,240
right anybody who has spent that much

3862
02:27:21,190 --> 02:27:19,760
time crying about me is laughable and if

3863
02:27:23,990 --> 02:27:21,200
you don't think people are laughing at

3864
02:27:25,910 --> 02:27:24,000
you bro those people that you think are

3865
02:27:27,910 --> 02:27:25,920
your friends do you know how to face

3866
02:27:30,070 --> 02:27:27,920
some of those [\h__\h] people are because

3867
02:27:32,230 --> 02:27:30,080
they're coming to me talking about what

3868
02:27:34,070 --> 02:27:32,240
idiots youtube youtube

3869
02:27:35,670 --> 02:27:34,080
boneheads are

3870
02:27:37,190 --> 02:27:35,680
but they're in your live chat so you

3871
02:27:38,710 --> 02:27:37,200
think that they're your buddies and

3872
02:27:40,309 --> 02:27:38,720
they're supporting you

3873
02:27:43,110 --> 02:27:40,319
and

3874
02:27:44,790 --> 02:27:43,120
forget about cambion okay

3875
02:27:47,030 --> 02:27:44,800
you know oh and here's another thing

3876
02:27:48,630 --> 02:27:47,040
it's not about views this isn't about

3877
02:27:50,870 --> 02:27:48,640
views we don't care about the views we

3878
02:27:52,309 --> 02:27:50,880
get then you're doing it wrong because

3879
02:27:53,990 --> 02:27:52,319
if you've been working on something for

3880
02:27:57,429 --> 02:27:54,000
eight years and you're only getting 10

3881
02:27:59,110 --> 02:27:57,439
or 15 live viewers or 20 if you're lucky

3882
02:28:00,790 --> 02:27:59,120
then you're a failure

3883
02:28:02,710 --> 02:28:00,800
and i'm not going to apologize for not

3884
02:28:05,110 --> 02:28:02,720
being a failure i've been at this a

3885
02:28:06,710 --> 02:28:05,120
little over a year and i have lacked you

3886
02:28:09,349 --> 02:28:06,720
three times both in views and

3887
02:28:11,349 --> 02:28:09,359
subscribers so for you

3888
02:28:13,590 --> 02:28:11,359
that's what this is about

3889
02:28:15,750 --> 02:28:13,600
bitter angry failures

3890
02:28:17,590 --> 02:28:15,760
that can't stand somebody else doing

3891
02:28:19,990 --> 02:28:17,600
better at it than they did

3892
02:28:22,389 --> 02:28:20,000
you know you have you have two choices

3893
02:28:24,309 --> 02:28:22,399
here you can either keep crying about me

3894
02:28:26,550 --> 02:28:24,319
or you can put your time into something

3895
02:28:28,309 --> 02:28:26,560
more valuable

3896
02:28:30,469 --> 02:28:28,319
the choice is yours i'm going to pray

3897
02:28:32,790 --> 02:28:30,479
for you and i forgive you but i i'm

3898
02:28:34,790 --> 02:28:32,800
under no obligation to allow you into my

3899
02:28:36,950 --> 02:28:34,800
life and i won't

3900
02:28:40,070 --> 02:28:36,960
i've said it before i will say it again

3901
02:28:42,630 --> 02:28:40,080
anybody who stands in my way anybody who

3902
02:28:43,670 --> 02:28:42,640
shits all over all the effort that i put

3903
02:28:46,230 --> 02:28:43,680
in here

3904
02:28:47,830 --> 02:28:46,240
i cut out of my life like a cancer and

3905
02:28:48,950 --> 02:28:47,840
you're never welcome back well i'm gonna

3906
02:28:50,630 --> 02:28:48,960
say never

3907
02:28:52,870 --> 02:28:50,640
you know i have a

3908
02:28:54,790 --> 02:28:52,880
i have an old friend that occasionally

3909
02:28:56,469 --> 02:28:54,800
and you know getting a big argument and

3910
02:28:59,429 --> 02:28:56,479
if you apologize

3911
02:29:05,190 --> 02:28:59,439
uh you know we get over it

3912
02:29:09,910 --> 02:29:06,950
so i don't know friends that's where

3913
02:29:11,670 --> 02:29:09,920
we're at and some of you on on

3914
02:29:14,150 --> 02:29:11,680
on my patreon know a little more about

3915
02:29:15,990 --> 02:29:14,160
this situation because i'm not going to

3916
02:29:18,230 --> 02:29:16,000
put a lot of that drama out publicly but

3917
02:29:20,070 --> 02:29:18,240
for my my closest supporters i did

3918
02:29:20,830 --> 02:29:20,080
explain a few things

3919
02:29:25,349 --> 02:29:20,840
and

3920
02:29:28,150 --> 02:29:25,359
uh that's what it is right

3921
02:29:29,830 --> 02:29:28,160
roger zimmerman says yeah total flavor

3922
02:29:31,990 --> 02:29:29,840
waster you shouldn't even respond punch

3923
02:29:34,790 --> 02:29:32,000
down well he's coming in the live chat

3924
02:29:35,670 --> 02:29:34,800
talking [\h__\h] roger so i kind of at that

3925
02:29:39,750 --> 02:29:35,680
point

3926
02:29:41,990 --> 02:29:39,760
you have to respond if somebody's in the

3927
02:29:45,590 --> 02:29:42,000
live chat crying

3928
02:29:46,950 --> 02:29:45,600
then then then i will definitely resp

3929
02:29:47,830 --> 02:29:46,960
you know respond

3930
02:29:51,110 --> 02:29:47,840
but

3931
02:29:53,910 --> 02:29:51,120
we're gonna do what we can to uh

3932
02:29:56,790 --> 02:29:53,920
we're gonna do what we can to

3933
02:29:58,389 --> 02:29:56,800
i suppose cut that cancer out of my life

3934
02:30:01,270 --> 02:29:58,399
i'm not gonna have people in my live

3935
02:30:03,670 --> 02:30:01,280
chat talking smack like that especially

3936
02:30:05,110 --> 02:30:03,680
when they've been lying for 32 or 34. i

3937
02:30:07,990 --> 02:30:05,120
don't know we've lost track how many

3938
02:30:09,750 --> 02:30:08,000
hours of the critiquing gambian show and

3939
02:30:11,990 --> 02:30:09,760
if that's what you got to do for views

3940
02:30:15,030 --> 02:30:12,000
bro i feel sorry for you because nobody

3941
02:30:17,910 --> 02:30:15,040
cares that much about me nobody wants to

3942
02:30:18,790 --> 02:30:17,920
hear 32 hours of somebody crying about

3943
02:30:22,630 --> 02:30:18,800
me

3944
02:30:26,309 --> 02:30:22,640
more

3945
02:30:28,230 --> 02:30:26,319
time i see it

3946
02:30:29,830 --> 02:30:28,240
al warrior with a kind and generous five

3947
02:30:31,429 --> 02:30:29,840
dollar super sticker thank you for

3948
02:30:33,349 --> 02:30:31,439
kindness your generosity and your

3949
02:30:35,990 --> 02:30:33,359
support our warrior it is much much

3950
02:30:39,910 --> 02:30:36,000
appreciated and thank you very much for

3951
02:30:44,250 --> 02:30:39,920
helping us to praise the cash friends

3952
02:31:01,990 --> 02:30:58,830
[Music]

3953
02:31:04,150 --> 02:31:02,000
cash thank you for your kindness thank

3954
02:31:06,590 --> 02:31:04,160
you for your generosity

3955
02:31:12,550 --> 02:31:06,600
crazy cash crazy cash raising cash

3956
02:31:16,150 --> 02:31:14,389
here's what i want you to do if the lord

3957
02:31:17,830 --> 02:31:16,160
is speaking to you

3958
02:31:20,790 --> 02:31:17,840
let's just bring some baskets down just

3959
02:31:22,950 --> 02:31:20,800
leave him there i'm not finished

3960
02:31:24,630 --> 02:31:22,960
i got one more point to make this is

3961
02:31:25,750 --> 02:31:24,640
what i want you to do thank you miss

3962
02:31:27,270 --> 02:31:25,760
marguerita

3963
02:31:29,270 --> 02:31:27,280
i brought her because i want you to

3964
02:31:30,710 --> 02:31:29,280
understand that the work

3965
02:31:32,630 --> 02:31:30,720
must continue

3966
02:31:35,110 --> 02:31:32,640
this is not a plea for money it's a plea

3967
02:31:38,080 --> 02:31:35,120
for partnership so that we can be what

3968
02:31:41,469 --> 02:31:40,309
[Applause]

3969
02:31:43,590 --> 02:31:41,479
i just need

3970
02:31:45,750 --> 02:31:43,600
497 people

3971
02:31:46,870 --> 02:31:45,760
to say

3972
02:31:50,309 --> 02:31:46,880
i'll do it

3973
02:31:54,309 --> 02:31:52,150
i like being able to help others i like

3974
02:31:56,389 --> 02:31:54,319
being able to fulfill my dreams and you

3975
02:31:58,389 --> 02:31:56,399
know it takes money to do what we're

3976
02:32:00,150 --> 02:31:58,399
doing that's you know that's why god

3977
02:32:01,990 --> 02:32:00,160
gives you influence to help the world to

3978
02:32:03,510 --> 02:32:02,000
make make it a better place we don't ask

3979
02:32:05,510 --> 02:32:03,520
for money and people send in millions of

3980
02:32:07,030 --> 02:32:05,520
dollars to help us keep the broadcast on

3981
02:32:09,190 --> 02:32:07,040
the air i don't think there's anything

3982
02:32:11,750 --> 02:32:09,200
wrong with having a nice place to live

3983
02:32:13,510 --> 02:32:11,760
and being blessed and money should never

3984
02:32:15,750 --> 02:32:13,520
be the focus of your life if that's all

3985
02:32:17,830 --> 02:32:15,760
you're doing that's shallow you should

3986
02:32:20,840 --> 02:32:17,840
you know it should be to be a blessing

3987
02:32:30,150 --> 02:32:20,850
to others

3988
02:32:34,150 --> 02:32:31,910
i believe that you will agree with me

3989
02:32:35,590 --> 02:32:34,160
when i say that in the last

3990
02:32:37,590 --> 02:32:35,600
few months

3991
02:32:39,670 --> 02:32:37,600
that and especially the last few weeks

3992
02:32:41,910 --> 02:32:39,680
that the anointing of the holy spirit on

3993
02:32:43,429 --> 02:32:41,920
the telecast has been

3994
02:32:45,270 --> 02:32:43,439
exceptional

3995
02:32:46,790 --> 02:32:45,280
the letters that we are receiving the

3996
02:32:49,270 --> 02:32:46,800
comments that you are giving us but

3997
02:32:51,590 --> 02:32:49,280
above all it's just there and we thank

3998
02:32:53,349 --> 02:32:51,600
the lord so much for it because it is

3999
02:32:55,510 --> 02:32:53,359
the anointing

4000
02:32:58,790 --> 02:32:55,520
that breaks the earth it breaks that

4001
02:33:01,510 --> 02:32:58,800
yokosuna whatever the yoke may be

4002
02:33:04,389 --> 02:33:01,520
i want to thank you also for the help

4003
02:33:06,469 --> 02:33:04,399
that you gave us last week concerning

4004
02:33:09,110 --> 02:33:06,479
the appeals that we made how we are

4005
02:33:11,750 --> 02:33:09,120
rejoicing i wish i could give you

4006
02:33:12,630 --> 02:33:11,760
a total now i can't i just can't i don't

4007
02:33:13,510 --> 02:33:12,640
have it

4008
02:33:16,389 --> 02:33:13,520
yet

4009
02:33:19,590 --> 02:33:16,399
but i'm asking you please god spoke with

4010
02:33:20,550 --> 02:33:19,600
a lot of you that did not respond

4011
02:33:26,230 --> 02:33:20,560
and

4012
02:33:27,910 --> 02:33:26,240
god speaks to you i know he'll bless you

4013
02:33:29,990 --> 02:33:27,920
if you will respond and if you could

4014
02:33:41,270 --> 02:33:30,000
send a gift of fifty dollars

4015
02:33:46,830 --> 02:33:43,190
funny you should mention that paul cargo

4016
02:33:49,270 --> 02:33:46,840
says your son should get a view based

4017
02:33:51,990 --> 02:33:49,280
percentage uh me and my wife thought it

4018
02:33:54,630 --> 02:33:52,000
was very comical that he is basically he

4019
02:33:57,270 --> 02:33:54,640
asked for a raise because he's decided

4020
02:33:59,590 --> 02:33:57,280
that i'm playing the clips of him a lot

4021
02:34:01,510 --> 02:33:59,600
and i'm not giving him enough money or i

4022
02:34:03,190 --> 02:34:01,520
didn't give him enough money

4023
02:34:04,230 --> 02:34:03,200
we brought him some toys that he wanted

4024
02:34:07,510 --> 02:34:04,240
to earn

4025
02:34:10,070 --> 02:34:07,520
teaching him about money um

4026
02:34:11,270 --> 02:34:10,080
he shook me down for more money so we're

4027
02:34:12,550 --> 02:34:11,280
gonna have to figure something out

4028
02:34:14,070 --> 02:34:12,560
because i need him to make some new

4029
02:34:16,550 --> 02:34:14,080
bumpers with me we're gonna work on that

4030
02:34:18,230 --> 02:34:16,560
this week or next week uh yeah he's

4031
02:34:20,150 --> 02:34:18,240
shaking me down paul cargo for more

4032
02:34:21,990 --> 02:34:20,160
money he wants a raise

4033
02:34:22,950 --> 02:34:22,000
right

4034
02:34:27,990 --> 02:34:22,960
so

4035
02:34:30,950 --> 02:34:28,000
i consider it a failure to even get

4036
02:34:32,150 --> 02:34:30,960
upset over some of these people but

4037
02:34:34,550 --> 02:34:32,160
you know

4038
02:34:38,070 --> 02:34:34,560
i i think that most people could you

4039
02:34:39,510 --> 02:34:38,080
know walk a mile in my shoes and imagine

4040
02:34:41,349 --> 02:34:39,520
somebody

4041
02:34:45,110 --> 02:34:41,359
making

4042
02:34:47,270 --> 02:34:45,120
32 hours of content crying about you

4043
02:34:49,349 --> 02:34:47,280
on the internet i mean

4044
02:34:52,389 --> 02:34:49,359
at a certain point it is going to piss

4045
02:34:54,630 --> 02:34:52,399
you off a little bit like jesus 32 hours

4046
02:34:56,550 --> 02:34:54,640
of this [\h__\h] this is crazy

4047
02:34:58,389 --> 02:34:56,560
right and it is funny the number of

4048
02:35:00,230 --> 02:34:58,399
people that are making fun of them

4049
02:35:02,309 --> 02:35:00,240
because i'm not the only one that

4050
02:35:04,389 --> 02:35:02,319
realized just how many hours of their

4051
02:35:05,670 --> 02:35:04,399
lives they've dedicated to me

4052
02:35:07,510 --> 02:35:05,680
and you know there's some other little

4053
02:35:09,750 --> 02:35:07,520
ankle biters but those guys aren't quite

4054
02:35:11,190 --> 02:35:09,760
as obsessive as as these

4055
02:35:13,830 --> 02:35:11,200
people who

4056
02:35:15,830 --> 02:35:13,840
32 hours

4057
02:35:18,070 --> 02:35:15,840
yeah and v saying the cash cloud

4058
02:35:19,270 --> 02:35:18,080
deserves 90 of it all

4059
02:35:20,790 --> 02:35:19,280
um

4060
02:35:23,910 --> 02:35:20,800
yeah

4061
02:35:30,389 --> 02:35:23,920
maybe come on v

4062
02:35:33,190 --> 02:35:31,270
yes

4063
02:35:36,230 --> 02:35:33,200
lincoln liar says don't watch it simple

4064
02:35:41,910 --> 02:35:39,429
well generally i don't but

4065
02:35:43,510 --> 02:35:41,920
people are saying to me

4066
02:35:45,349 --> 02:35:43,520
looking like people are sending me time

4067
02:35:47,429 --> 02:35:45,359
stamps with like

4068
02:35:49,349 --> 02:35:47,439
look at these idiots said you said this

4069
02:35:51,349 --> 02:35:49,359
i watch every show you never said that

4070
02:35:53,110 --> 02:35:51,359
and then i go to the time stamp and they

4071
02:35:55,990 --> 02:35:53,120
did say that i said something i never

4072
02:35:58,309 --> 02:35:56,000
said now uh they're psychics and they're

4073
02:36:01,030 --> 02:35:58,319
telling people what i would do

4074
02:36:03,910 --> 02:36:01,040
in hypothetical situations like they're

4075
02:36:04,950 --> 02:36:03,920
some kind of expert on my psyche and you

4076
02:36:06,389 --> 02:36:04,960
know

4077
02:36:09,670 --> 02:36:06,399
it's just reached a point of

4078
02:36:12,150 --> 02:36:09,680
ridiculousness after all you know 32

4079
02:36:13,990 --> 02:36:12,160
hours is definitely that's definitely

4080
02:36:14,710 --> 02:36:14,000
the point of ridiculousness if you ask

4081
02:36:18,630 --> 02:36:14,720
me

4082
02:36:21,349 --> 02:36:18,640
i think i what could you accomplish with

4083
02:36:23,590 --> 02:36:21,359
32 hours of your life you know

4084
02:36:25,590 --> 02:36:23,600
you could do a lot of things i would

4085
02:36:27,349 --> 02:36:25,600
think with that many hours of your life

4086
02:36:28,790 --> 02:36:27,359
or you could cry about me because you're

4087
02:36:31,030 --> 02:36:28,800
a failure and you don't like that i'm

4088
02:36:33,910 --> 02:36:31,040
successful at what you failed at

4089
02:36:36,070 --> 02:36:33,920
and as for me i learned a long time ago

4090
02:36:38,710 --> 02:36:36,080
to celebrate others success because if

4091
02:36:39,540 --> 02:36:38,720
they can do it that means i can do it as

4092
02:36:40,710 --> 02:36:39,550
well

4093
02:36:42,389 --> 02:36:40,720
[Music]

4094
02:36:44,630 --> 02:36:42,399
right

4095
02:36:46,790 --> 02:36:44,640
it means that i could do it

4096
02:36:48,230 --> 02:36:46,800
um

4097
02:36:50,790 --> 02:36:48,240
you know i'm a firm believer that if

4098
02:36:52,150 --> 02:36:50,800
somebody else can accomplish something

4099
02:36:54,710 --> 02:36:52,160
they're no more special than me they're

4100
02:36:56,630 --> 02:36:54,720
no more talented than me they're no more

4101
02:36:59,190 --> 02:36:56,640
uh passionate than me

4102
02:37:01,110 --> 02:36:59,200
and if i'm as talented and passionate

4103
02:37:03,349 --> 02:37:01,120
and dedicated as they were to reach

4104
02:37:06,469 --> 02:37:03,359
their goals and and and do well at

4105
02:37:08,550 --> 02:37:06,479
something then i can do the same thing

4106
02:37:11,110 --> 02:37:08,560
and

4107
02:37:12,790 --> 02:37:11,120
just kind of where i'm at right

4108
02:37:15,030 --> 02:37:12,800
and uh you know

4109
02:37:16,309 --> 02:37:15,040
boy you know i know i'd take some slings

4110
02:37:19,830 --> 02:37:16,319
and arrows but i didn't know it would

4111
02:37:21,750 --> 02:37:19,840
come from former friends uh

4112
02:37:24,389 --> 02:37:21,760
there you go you know

4113
02:37:26,870 --> 02:37:24,399
the knives come out sometimes the knives

4114
02:37:28,150 --> 02:37:26,880
in the back

4115
02:37:30,469 --> 02:37:28,160
and you know uh

4116
02:37:32,550 --> 02:37:30,479
today i'm going to uh

4117
02:37:34,550 --> 02:37:32,560
today i'm going to play us out with the

4118
02:37:35,990 --> 02:37:34,560
song from the dreaming and in the song

4119
02:37:37,830 --> 02:37:36,000
he says

4120
02:37:39,990 --> 02:37:37,840
what do you want from me it's not even

4121
02:37:41,670 --> 02:37:40,000
worth the fight so most of me thinks

4122
02:37:42,870 --> 02:37:41,680
yeah it's it's not even worth the fight

4123
02:37:51,510 --> 02:37:42,880
it's not even worth the energy to

4124
02:37:55,270 --> 02:37:53,429
but i suppose that's where i'm at

4125
02:37:59,510 --> 02:37:55,280
i'm gonna

4126
02:38:01,190 --> 02:37:59,520
their anger and jealousy issues

4127
02:38:02,710 --> 02:38:01,200
and go do something more meaningful with

4128
02:38:04,630 --> 02:38:02,720
their life and cry about me on the

4129
02:38:06,469 --> 02:38:04,640
internet every week

4130
02:38:08,550 --> 02:38:06,479
or i think maybe we're up to twice a

4131
02:38:10,230 --> 02:38:08,560
week now right maybe three times a week

4132
02:38:12,710 --> 02:38:10,240
maybe i'll be doing six hours maybe i'll

4133
02:38:14,630 --> 02:38:12,720
do two hours a day about me seven days a

4134
02:38:16,070 --> 02:38:14,640
week that would be 14 hours of content a

4135
02:38:17,190 --> 02:38:16,080
week they can get out of crying and

4136
02:38:18,309 --> 02:38:17,200
complaining

4137
02:38:19,510 --> 02:38:18,319
about me

4138
02:38:21,429 --> 02:38:19,520
and then of course there's a few other

4139
02:38:23,270 --> 02:38:21,439
ankle biters but like i said those guys

4140
02:38:25,510 --> 02:38:23,280
only did one show and then they shut up

4141
02:38:26,710 --> 02:38:25,520
for a while until i pissed them off

4142
02:38:27,830 --> 02:38:26,720
again

4143
02:38:29,110 --> 02:38:27,840
and

4144
02:38:30,550 --> 02:38:29,120
honestly i'm going to try to not piss

4145
02:38:32,790 --> 02:38:30,560
any people off because this stuff is all

4146
02:38:33,910 --> 02:38:32,800
a distraction to me it doesn't do

4147
02:38:36,469 --> 02:38:33,920
anything

4148
02:38:37,590 --> 02:38:36,479
to help me and my goals and my cause

4149
02:38:40,389 --> 02:38:37,600
right

4150
02:38:44,790 --> 02:38:42,790
yeah and somebody's talking about

4151
02:38:47,270 --> 02:38:44,800
their animal family only having six

4152
02:38:49,830 --> 02:38:47,280
months to live quarrel on sorry to hear

4153
02:38:54,950 --> 02:38:52,150
my wife's dog which is a dog she had for

4154
02:38:57,270 --> 02:38:54,960
like 15 years died like a year or two

4155
02:38:59,990 --> 02:38:57,280
ago and that was really tough on her

4156
02:39:01,830 --> 02:39:00,000
because you know that was her dog man

4157
02:39:03,990 --> 02:39:01,840
and uh it is like a member of the family

4158
02:39:07,910 --> 02:39:04,000
going away and then we had explained it

4159
02:39:10,389 --> 02:39:07,920
to our children and that was rough right

4160
02:39:12,469 --> 02:39:10,399
and that dog sort of died suddenly

4161
02:39:13,750 --> 02:39:12,479
it was really no notice

4162
02:39:17,270 --> 02:39:13,760
um just

4163
02:39:22,230 --> 02:39:19,750
yeah so i want to thank my guest tonight

4164
02:39:24,630 --> 02:39:22,240
robert schaefer glad to get him off of

4165
02:39:26,790 --> 02:39:24,640
my list of uh

4166
02:39:29,510 --> 02:39:26,800
of guests you know i made a huge list of

4167
02:39:30,790 --> 02:39:29,520
guests when i first started my show even

4168
02:39:33,270 --> 02:39:30,800
when i first started the show before

4169
02:39:35,990 --> 02:39:33,280
this and i've gotten most of them but

4170
02:39:38,389 --> 02:39:36,000
robert schaefer i just never

4171
02:39:41,910 --> 02:39:38,399
i never knew exactly how to contact him

4172
02:39:43,990 --> 02:39:41,920
uh but you know thanks to roger a fellow

4173
02:39:46,389 --> 02:39:44,000
show viewer here who put us in contact

4174
02:39:48,550 --> 02:39:46,399
with one another i want to thank him for

4175
02:39:50,309 --> 02:39:48,560
making tonight possible i also want to

4176
02:39:54,309 --> 02:39:50,319
thank the audience for joining us

4177
02:39:55,910 --> 02:39:54,319
tonight because um boy

4178
02:39:57,110 --> 02:39:55,920
you always hear me say this i'm always

4179
02:39:59,349 --> 02:39:57,120
happy when there's an audience and

4180
02:40:02,230 --> 02:39:59,359
tonight we had a great one much better

4181
02:40:03,349 --> 02:40:02,240
numbers than we've uh than i expected

4182
02:40:05,190 --> 02:40:03,359
um

4183
02:40:07,429 --> 02:40:05,200
i can't thank you enough for coming here

4184
02:40:09,429 --> 02:40:07,439
and being a part

4185
02:40:10,870 --> 02:40:09,439
of the audience tonight

4186
02:40:12,950 --> 02:40:10,880
always love it when i show up and

4187
02:40:15,030 --> 02:40:12,960
there's an audience thank you so much

4188
02:40:17,190 --> 02:40:15,040
for coming here tonight and being a part

4189
02:40:18,950 --> 02:40:17,200
of mine

4190
02:40:21,670 --> 02:40:18,960
so until next time friends my name is

4191
02:40:23,910 --> 02:40:21,680
stephen cambion please be sure to visit

4192
02:40:25,830 --> 02:40:23,920
us tomorrow night at 9 00 pm eastern

4193
02:40:28,309 --> 02:40:25,840
standard time we'll be doing the angeli

4194
02:40:30,150 --> 02:40:28,319
update with a special panel show and if

4195
02:40:31,429 --> 02:40:30,160
you're interested in this story i think

4196
02:40:33,670 --> 02:40:31,439
there's going to be

4197
02:40:35,110 --> 02:40:33,680
some stunning new revelations in the

4198
02:40:36,309 --> 02:40:35,120
story uh

4199
02:40:39,830 --> 02:40:36,319
that we're going to bring you

4200
02:40:41,429 --> 02:40:39,840
exclusively here on truth seekers

4201
02:40:43,830 --> 02:40:41,439
so until next time friends my name is

4202
02:40:46,230 --> 02:40:43,840
stephen campion good night and god bless

4203
02:40:47,750 --> 02:40:46,240
all of you

4204
02:40:49,190 --> 02:40:47,760
even you people

4205
02:40:50,870 --> 02:40:49,200
crying about me

4206
02:40:53,349 --> 02:40:50,880
for hours and hours and hours on the

4207
02:40:55,030 --> 02:40:53,359
internet i'll pray for you i hope you

4208
02:40:57,190 --> 02:40:55,040
get over your anger and your jealousy

4209
02:40:59,750 --> 02:40:57,200
issues and do something much more

4210
02:41:05,120 --> 02:40:59,760
meaningful with your time

4211
02:42:17,910 --> 02:41:25,430
[Music]

4212
02:42:17,920 --> 02:42:21,010
so

4213
02:42:25,370 --> 02:42:24,010
[Music]

4214
02:42:37,910 --> 02:42:25,380
[Applause]

4215
02:42:39,530 --> 02:42:37,920
[Music]

4216
02:42:39,640 --> 02:42:39,540
so

4217
02:43:11,750 --> 02:42:39,650
[Applause]

4218
02:43:11,760 --> 02:43:14,870
uh

4219
02:43:14,880 --> 02:43:43,110
[Music]

4220
02:43:43,120 --> 02:43:48,830
anything to keep you

4221
02:43:48,840 --> 02:44:19,990
satisfied but if you take this

4222
02:44:20,000 --> 02:44:56,630
why do you want me

4223
02:45:01,190 --> 02:44:58,790
[Applause]

4224
02:45:22,410 --> 02:45:01,200
me

4225
02:45:55,190 --> 02:45:43,770
[Music]

4226
02:45:55,200 --> 02:46:06,190
just tell you what the hell is wrong

4227
02:46:06,200 --> 02:46:32,630
[Music]

4228
02:46:32,640 --> 02:46:57,290
for me